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Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?

That memo was lost with the same one that slipped by the people who show the USS New Jersey as a TOS Constitution Class ship in Picard season 3.
Different creative team. They preferred the TOS design over the DSC/SNW redesign.

Prodigy and Lower Decks (at least before the Crossover) used the TOS design as well.
Prodigy showed the Discovery along side the TOS Enterprise, so it's not like they were completely ignoring that part of the franchise.
 
Strange New Worlds isn’t in the same timeline either. The show itself has made that explicitly clear that the timeline has changed.

How many god damn times do we need to have this same argument?!

Yes, Strange New Worlds is in the prime timeline. A timeline that has been changed dozens and dozens of times by every single series that came before it.

If Strange New Worlds isn't in your definition of the Prime Timeline, neither is TNG, DS9, VOY, Ent, etc.

Because Akiva Goldsman says so. Ok, got it.

Yes. He has the authority to make such a statement.

You do not.
 
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Oh, God. I just watched it. He's trying very hard not to say something.

Or, let me put it another way.

Kruge: "He's hiding something."
Maltz: "How can you tell that?"
Kruge: "I trust my instincts."

He doesn't need to say anything. I can tell by the look on his face and the way he stumbled through that answer. Something's going on, nothing's finalized (and is thus technically not in development), and he can't talk about shit. So, he has to deflect and throw up a smokescreen. The body language and the way he muddled through that answer gave everything away.

EDITED TO ADD: If there was definitely nothing going on, his body language would've been very different, VERY different, and he would've said something along the lines of, "It would be nice if we had a continuation, we'd love to do it, we wish we could do it, no word on it, show your support by letting ____ know." He'd give a straight, concise answer and would look properly composed instead of sounding like he just hit a deer on the road in the middle of nowhere at midnight.

Something's fishy ...

Picard Art Director Liz Kloczkowski said:

Between this and Dave Blass's remake of The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh (?), something is up.

It's not terribly professional to go publicly begging for work. :shifty:
 
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Something's fishy ...



Between this and Dave Blass's remake of The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh (?), something is up.

It's not terribly professional to go publicly begging for work. :shifty:
I made it my New Year's Resolution not to speculate about whether or not Legacy would happen. Don't make me break my Resolution 12 days in!

Plus, this is not exactly the most receptive crowd. I feel an even bigger disconnect between myself and the board with Legacy than I did between myself and the board with Discovery. So, I'm not on the same page as most of the people here at all.
 
I made it my New Year's Resolution not to speculate about whether or not Legacy would happen. Don't make me break my Resolution 12 days in!

Plus, this is not exactly the most receptive crowd. I feel an even bigger disconnect between myself and the board with Legacy than I did between myself and the board with Discovery. So, I'm not on the same page as most of the people here at all.
Which makes you highly valuable.
 
I made it my New Year's Resolution not to speculate about whether or not Legacy would happen. Don't make me break my Resolution 12 days in!

Plus, this is not exactly the most receptive crowd. I feel an even bigger disconnect between myself and the board with Legacy than I did between myself and the board with Discovery. So, I'm not on the same page as most of the people here at all.

This board isn't really a good reflection of anything. You know that. It's just the same 10 regulars in our echo-chamber.

That Legacy petition I posted last year, (that some Nu Trek fans on this forum got upset about) gained enough traction to show audience interest. So much so that the castmembers, creatives and producers were talking about it.


However, this current Paramount merger situation just puts everything in question. I don't see Zaslav going hard on expensive Star Trek streaming, given his content delivery strategies.
 
However, this current Paramount merger situation just puts everything in question. I don't see Zaslav going hard on expensive Star Trek streaming, given his content delivery strategies.

It's not a sure thing.

There's Warner's debt load. There's antitrust concerns. Paramount is also saddled with a chain of money-losing movie theaters in New England.

There are companies that are FAR better positioned to merge with Paramount (Skydance, RedBird Capital, Apple, etc.).

Warner Bros. is $40 billion in debt. Paramount is $15 billion in debt. Piling on more debt would be disastrous for Warner.

Any talk of Bugs Bunny or Batman flying the Enterprise is really premature.
 
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Strange New Worlds isn’t in the same timeline either. The show itself has made that explicitly clear that the timeline has changed.

Is it not the same ship and crew?

To differentiate it from Kelvin at this point is to make a distinction without a difference.

You still have not understood how it "works". A change in the timeline does NOT create another alternate timeline, it gets... changed. You can directly observe this in First Contact when the Borg sphere goes back to the 21st century and the heroes watch Earth transforming into a Borg planet with their very eyes, or take all the incursions performed by the Krenim time vessel in "Year of Hell".
Usually those changes are corrected but not always (as far as we know), Sisko takes the role of Gabriel Bell which becomes the new permanent state of the primary timeline. So, according to your claim, this alone would prove that most of DS9 and at least TOS plus TNG could not share the same continuity. And yes, Trek writers usually do not care about paradoxes, weird magical cosmic rules make it possible.

An early episode of PIC season 2 makes this very clear:

Well, obviously this is an alternate reality.
SEVEN OF NINE: Actually, the Borg Queen here has a different theory.
The Borg Queen? Here?
She's in the basement with Jurati.
Jurati and the Borg Queen? From the Stargazer?
No, this one's more typical.
She suggested that there may have been a divergence in time.
Time?
Of course.
That's how he did it.
This is not another reality. This is our reality. He went back in time and changed the present.
Who, exactly?
Ah, an entity called Q.

And this from DSC proves the Kelvin reality is not some alternate timeline in the above-mentioned sense:

But everyone on Discovery traveled through time.

Yes, but only one of you is also from a parallel universe. Yor here traveled forward from 2379 and across from an alternate universe created by the temporal incursion of a Romulan mining ship. Before Georgiou, Yor was the only individual known to have traveled across both time and dimensions.

Stuff like assimilated Earth, Bell, or evil humanity's Confederation are bungled versions of the primeline, the same continuity.
The Mirror + Kelvin universes + everything you see in "Parallels" etc. are alternate realities, other independent continuities.
It's all canon.

How many god damn times do we need to have this same argument?!

Yes, Strange New Worlds is in the prime timeline. A timeline that has been changed dozens and dozens of times by every single series that came before it.

If Strange New Worlds isn't you your definition of the Prime Timeline, neither is TNG, DS9, VOY, Ent, etc.

Exactly.
 
It's not a sure thing.

There's Warner's debt load. There's antitrust concerns. Paramount is also saddled with a chain of money-losing movie theaters in New England.

There are companies that are FAR better positioned to merge with Paramount (Skydance, RedBird Capital, Apple, etc.).

Warner Bros. is $40 billion in debt. Paramount is $15 billion in debt. Piling on more debt would be disastrous for Warner.

Any talk of Bugs Bunny or Batman flying the Enterprise is really premature.


It's fair speculation, given how all the Trades were reporting on it. Zaslav has been making smart financial moves so far, so if he's pushing for this, there must be some economic benefit to it.


The good news is we will know soon. In a matter of months.

Perhaps Paramount's golden boy Tom Cruise has seen the writing on the wall; https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...ruise-sets-up-shop-at-warner-bros-1235783047/
 
It's fair speculation, given how all the Trades were reporting on it. Zaslav has been making smart financial moves so far, so if he's pushing for this, there must be some economic benefit to it.


The good news is we will know soon. In a matter of months.

There's speculation ... And then there's cheering it on.

Comcast has been making noises about selling NBCUniversal.

Perhaps Paramount's golden boy Tom Cruise has seen the writing on the wall; https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...ruise-sets-up-shop-at-warner-bros-1235783047/

Tom Cruise will work for whoever will sign his paycheck. That's how Hollywood works.

He's not beholden to any one company (He did the 2017 Mummy reboot for Universal).
 
Because Akiva Goldsman says so. Ok, got it.
And then you have people that worked on PS3 saying it's a different timeline <G>

Plus, this is not exactly the most receptive crowd. I feel an even bigger disconnect between myself and the board with Legacy than I did between myself and the board with Discovery. So, I'm not on the same page as most of the people here at all.
I think it's more a case of a few very loud people that must have some kind of private WhatsApp group dedicated to keeping anti-Legacy going while they let it live rent free in their minds.

Some of them I have on ignore, easier to avoid the snark.

I mean, I'm pretty anti-DISCOVERY. But I don't hang out in that show's forum constantly bringing up why that show sucks etc.
 

Absolutely no one of any authority.

How do I know?

Because if someone of authority did say something to that effect, we'd have never heard the the end of it. A certain segment of the fandom would gleefully ram it down the throats of anyone who'd listen.
 
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