Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x06 - "Whistlespeak"

[Quantum21]

9-10 = Loved It
7-8 = Liked It
5-6 = Eh
3-4 = Didn't Like It
1-2 = Hated It

"This episode is abysmal, I give it a 6." (actual quote) =

I think you can rate an episode higher and still be critical of it. Something that affects the integrity of the plot or point being made might make me rate it lower.

A 5 or 6 for me still might be "avg" or OK. Just not good enough to be "good".

Also for me, 10 doesn't mean perfect, only that I enjoyed it a lot even if it wasn't absolutely perfect (but what is?)

 

[Fateor]

I didn't think there even WAS a PD issue. I mean, the culture was already immeasurably screwed with by the Denobulans. As soon as it became clear they'd built a while religion around that tech, the PD question becomes academic at most.

It wasn't, there are actual exceptions in the Prime Directive for cultures that have already been irreversibly contaminated.

The PD still applies. The Denobulans hid the technology for a reason.

The PD question is only academic because of the RD.

They hid the generators.

They didn't hide the giant atmospheric forcefield keeping the majority of the bad weather out.

 

[Lord Garth]

I think you can rate an episode higher and still be critical of it. Something that affects the integrity of the plot or point being made might make me rate it lower.

A 5 or 6 for me still might be "avg" or OK. Just not good enough to be "good".

Also for me, 10 doesn't mean perfect, only that I enjoyed it a lot even if it wasn't absolutely perfect (but what is?)

I rated PIC Season 2 an 8, but we all know I'm critical of that season. The flaws just didn't interfere with my enjoyment overall.

So I know what you mean.

 

[Cr0sis21]

I rated PIC Season 2 an 8, but we all know I'm critical of that season. The flaws just didn't interfere with my enjoyment overall.

So I know what you mean.

An 8? Wow. I never rated it numerically like that, but I comfortably placed it as the worst season of Star Trek ever.

 

[fireproof78]

They hid the generators.

 

[Lord Garth]

An 8? Wow. I never rated it numerically like that, but I comfortably placed it as the worst season of Star Trek ever.

ENT Season 2 is the bottom of my Trek Barrel. I don't even hate that one. It's just super, super dull.

 

[Cr0sis21]

ENT Season 2 is the bottom of my Trek Barrel. I don't even hate that one. It's just super, super dull.

I rank that just above PIC2. I actually quit watching Enterprise because it bored me so much

 

[Jag2112]

Screencaps gallery now online:

https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/sc-DSC5-6.php

 

[cultcross]

The message here though was somewhat opposite, though spirituality and religion/worship can be two different things.

Which is a nice thing. I find Who Watches the Watchers a frustratingly one dimensional take on the issue - a take repeated ad nauseum by Trek fans ever since. TNG at its most preachy.

 

[Cyrus]

It was an OK episode.

It felt like a TNG episode, including forehead aliens. But the whistlespeak communication was not as clever as the Darmok one.

 

[cooleddie74]

Which is a nice thing. I find Who Watches the Watchers a frustratingly one dimensional take on the issue - a take repeated ad nauseum by Trek fans ever since. TNG at its most preachy.

Definitely Picard at his most smug and preachy and insufferable. At least in "Pen Pals" he relented and allowed Data and the Enterprise to save Sarjenka's homeworld. In this one he's basically every European or American overseas colonizer up to the early 1900s, just with a commbadge and less hair. We're a lot more sophisticated and cultured than these simple, stupid people so let's behave that way in front of them.

 

[eschaton]

Why are we still having to say it? People are more upset with me than they are the casting director or the writers for giving a character a skill she can't possibly have. If I pointed out that Warwick Davis shouldn't portray an NBA player, nobody would bat an eye. But Tilly twice being portrayed as an endurance runner and me calling it preposterous is a bridge too far

In the real world, physically fit dudes pretty much invariably lose in hand-to-hand combat if facing two or more foes at once, but action movies and TV are full of tough guys who defeat overwhelming odds anyway.

"This episode is abysmal, I give it a 6." (actual quote) =

Perhaps some people grade shows like exams? Everything below a 6 is an automatic failure?

 

[Tuskin38]

the writers seem to have forgotten than Adira has a symbiote. She never seems to have extra information from the symbiote's 6 previous hosts.

 

[Cr0sis21]

the writers seem to have forgotten than Adira has a symbiote. She never seems to have extra information from the symbiote's 6 previous hosts.

It's almost like...it was just a plot device for that one episode

 

[Yistaan]

the writers seem to have forgotten than Adira has a symbiote. She never seems to have extra information from the symbiote's 6 previous hosts.

Adira, uh, was traumatized by Vance's ruthless and totally uncalled for "I don't know you, I just knew your symbiote" when they met and subsequently blocked out all the memories of previous hosts. Yeah, that's it.

 

[Hawku]

This episode made me thirsty.

 

[Fateor]

the writers seem to have forgotten than Adira has a symbiote. She never seems to have extra information from the symbiote's 6 previous hosts.

It was obviously removed off screen and just never mentioned.

 

[Farscape One]

Even worse than the Borg baby from "COLLECTIVE".

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

the writers seem to have forgotten than Adira has a symbiote. She never seems to have extra information from the symbiote's 6 previous hosts.

They also seem to have forgotten that Gray used to have a symbiont. He was never shown dealing with the loss of Tal. He just writes it off like it never happened.

I mean, a joined Trill losing his or her symbiont - even for a short time - is kind of a big deal, y'know? Look what happened to Jadzia when Dax was stolen from her (DS9's "Invasive Procedures"). She was really freaking out...

 

[firehawk12]

the writers seem to have forgotten than Adira has a symbiote. She never seems to have extra information from the symbiote's 6 previous hosts.

Not going to lie, I totally forgot too.