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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x03 - "Jinaal"

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I’ll be sad if Sara Mitich and Ronnie Rowe Jr don’t appear at all this season. :/ also I miss Detmer.

Has Ronnie Rowe been in any episodes since they came to the 32nd century?

He seems to appear on a lot of Canadian programming on the CBC up here.
 
Honestly, after five seasons of nothing but the opposite, Rayner is refreshing as hell, as was Lorca. I like a blend of character types on a crew and that does not mean excluding characters like Rayner, who is also interesting as a Kellerun.

There hasn't been any conflict on this show with the characters since they came to the 32nd century.
 
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Sounds a bit uncontrollable. I don't think Spock 2.0 and predatory worms were part of the programing.
If we go by the explanation in TNG's "The Chase," the Progenitor's tech wasn't targeted and allowed for weird variations too. It took billions of years to go from primordial ocean with rudimentary potential for life to modern humans. Lot of other non-humanoid forms of life in Earth's history between those two points.

In one of the (non-canon) novels, I believe they explain that David's theory protomatter made the entire thing unstable wasn't exactly true. They retcon it to be a problem caused by the fact that the creation of Genesis was done in a way that wasn't anticipated.

Carol specifically says it was to be used on a "lifeless space body," and the fact it had to use the Reliant and the Mutara Nebula for its source matter was what made the planet inherently unstable.
 
Carol specifically says it was to be used on a "lifeless space body," and the fact it had to use the Reliant and the Mutara Nebula for its source matter was what made the planet inherently unstable.
I thought it was the proto-matter.
If we go by the explanation in TNG's "The Chase," the Progenitor's tech wasn't targeted and allowed for weird variations too. It took billions of years to go from primordial ocean with rudimentary potential for life to modern humans. Lot of other non-humanoid forms of life in Earth's history between those two points.
Well it had a target/goal: the humanoid form. It didn't eliminate non-humanoid development, it just made sure some lifeforms would be humanoid.
 
The question is whether he's really doing something useful there, or not. My impression is that the authorial intent is that he was not. I don't know how to prove it one way or the other.

It's also quite possible that Rayner is doing something useful and wanting to not interact with the crew. The two are not mutually exclusive.

In the end, I was only interested in the utility of him going through the data and explaining that it was necessary, not trying to explain any type of reasoning other than focusing on the mission. Because whatever the reason (whether it's avoiding the crew or being very mission driven or something else), it doesn't matter. He was needed for that.
 
7/10

I don´t want to complain too much but this is technically 4th season of strictly procedural puzzle mystery and in this case it has so far not much of tension to support itself. Although I was able to predict Jinaal´s test of character as soon as they said the creatures have their nest there it was kinda neat... As the most poeple I enjoyed Cruz´s performance and Rayner´s "bonding" with the crew. Grey is still kinda impossible to care about.
 
7/10

I don´t want to complain too much but this is technically 4th season of strictly procedural puzzle mystery and in this case it has so far not much of tension to support itself. Although I was able to predict Jinaal´s test of character as soon as they said the creatures have their nest there it was kinda neat... As the most poeple I enjoyed Cruz´s performance and Rayner´s "bonding" with the crew. Grey is still kinda impossible to care about.
Gray and Adira are a nice couple but they hired some very inexperienced actors to play them. Normally Trek hires some actors with mileage on them. I think we all saw this coming though. Ironically, these were probably their best performances yet.
 
I’ve always wondered how the symbionts, which have surgery as part of their life cycle, could have evolved. Anybody have any ideas?

Come to think of it, do we know for a fact that they evolved? Could they have been created?
 
I'm pretty sure it was established that once a symbiote is joined, it has to keep joining or die. The time a symbiote has to join before it dies is only a day or two, I believe. (The host, for certain, has this issue. But I'm pretty sure DS9 has made it clear that the symbiote is just as dependant on having a host once it starts the joining process.)

It's why Ezri was joined to Dax in the first place... Dax took a turn for the worse on the way to Trill, and she was the only Trill on the Destiny.

Which is why I wonder if I misheard the episode indicating symbiotes don't usually live as long as Bix, and seemed to imply it was a voluntary thing to keep going. (That gave the impression of the Trill symbiotes having shades of "Half a Life".)
 
I suspect Moll has been to Trill or has connections that would easily enable her to mingle with those folks...
 
I'm pretty sure it was established that once a symbiote is joined, it has to keep joining or die.

Not true. If the host is on Trill and dies peacefully, like Bix's host did, the symbiont can retreat into the pools and live there for as long as it wants to.

Dax, OTOH, somehow became very sick, very quickly. The Destiny was also nowhere near Trill. So that's why it had to take a new host, right there, right now.

As for how long symbionts live? Canonically, we don't know. In the novelverse, old symbionts grow to very large size (the "Annuated") and retire permanently to the pools. But it doesn't look like Bix was that old. The Annuated are probably at least a thousand years old.
 
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I’ve always wondered how the symbionts, which have surgery as part of their life cycle, could have evolved. Anybody have any ideas?

Come to think of it, do we know for a fact that they evolved? Could they have been created?
The (non-canon) post-DS9 novels went with the idea that the Trill symbionts are related to the parasites from TNG's "Conspiracy." However, in that case, the Conspiracy parasites are revealed to be a genetically modified corruption of the symbionts.

People tend to see the symbiont as the dominant lifeform in the relationship, since it is the one that goes on, but it's possible that for the Trill it was initially the other way around. Maybe the symbionts were an organism that was perfectly chill existing in their cave pools, and it's actually the Trill who "worship" the symbionts that forced the first "joinings."

In that case, their society could have started as a cult which realized a symbiotic relationship was possible and started implanting the worms. Once it was realized the symbiotic relationship allowed a form of limited "immortality" (the ability for a person's experiences to go on for centuries), an entire dogma and system was developed around transferring the symbionts.

Whether it's still true or not in the 32nd century, we do know the Trill at least in the 24th were concealing the truth that it was possible for most of the population to be joined, instead of the small number that they publicly claim.
 
As for how long symbionts live? Canonically, we don't know. In the novelverse, old symbionts grow to very large size (the "Annuated") and retire permanently to the pools. But it doesn't look like Bix was that old.
We know Bix is at least eight hundred years old, and according to Adira, it's rare for a symbiont to live that long. Even though Adira themself is host to a symbiont that's also been around at least eight hundred years, given one of the previous Tal hosts was wearing a Starfleet uniform from S1 of Picard.
 
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