Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x02 - "Under the Twin Moons"

[fireproof78]

I'm not crying for Trek to cling to it's past. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else.
The 60s used that device as a quick crutch. Writing has evolved since then.
It didn't really work in context then. It doesn't really work in context now.
It is possible to still enjoy something and not think it's the apex of storytelling at the same time.

I dont think apex storytelling is my expectation. I'm just noting the why of it.

 

[Kraig]

Anybody else get a The Arsenal Of Freedom vibe from the weapons system scenes on the planet?

I was waiting for the sales pitch

Action Saru!!!

I was waiting for the appearance of the Echo Papa 607.

 

[JoseNoodles]

I was waiting for the appearance of the Echo Papa 607.

A big cloaked one to fight the Discovery.

 

[Jayson1]

Yes. It's called personal states and drama. Star Trek has relied on this since *counts on fingers* ok, a long time. The ambassador from Vulcan isn't just any Vulcan, but Spock's estranged father. The colony attacked has Kirk's brother on it and his family dies. The drama troupe leader is the governor who carried out a massacre that impacted Kirk.

And on and on it goes. At this point it's a bug not a feature.

I agree but I think it sort of become more noticed when your doing a season long arc and also you got only 10 episodes. The older format helped keep some of the small universe feelings from becoming to much of a issue.

 

[fireproof78]

I agree but I think it sort of become more noticed when your doing a season long arc and also you got only 10 episodes. The older format helped keep some of the small universe feelings from becoming to much of a issue.

Except it's still there.

 

[Cr0sis21]

Except it's still there.

So we should continue narrative traditions that have long become cliché because...tradition?

It's bound to become an even more glaring issue as the season goes on while we devote pages of scripting to Book's tormented inner conflict over chasing down the daughter of his mentor / father figure. Glaring because it's going to probably be incredibly boring, and will most likely shave down the edges of characters being compared so far to Natural Born Killers.

I, personally, would much rather they keep those edges.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I agree but I think it sort of become more noticed when your doing a season long arc and also you got only 10 episodes. The older format helped keep some of the small universe feelings from becoming to much of a issue.

How does that work? Every third episode having an ex-girl friend/relative/mentor/old pal show up is less small universe than one character in an 10 episode arc?

 

[fireproof78]

So we should continue narrative traditions that have long become cliché because...tradition?

It's bound to become an even more glaring issue as the season goes on while we devote pages of scripting to Book's tormented inner conflict over chasing down the daughter of his mentor / father figure. Glaring because it's going to probably be incredibly boring, and will most likely shave down the edges of characters being compared so far to Natural Born Killers.

I, personally, would much rather they keep those edges.

Boring is in the eye of the beholder. I prefer TOS and will not look sideways at Discovery for using similar storytelling conventions.

Mileage will vary.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don't think TV will ever give up on the" person with a connection to lead character" trope. Nor should it.

 

[Jag2112]

Screencaps gallery for 'Under the Twin Moons' now online:

https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/sc-DSC5-2.php

 

[Turtletrekker]

Anybody else get a The Arsenal Of Freedom vibe from the weapons system scenes on the planet?

I was waiting for the sales pitch

I definitely did. And while I recognized the name "Promellians" as a Star Trek alien, I couldn't place exactly what episode they were from. So until I actually had a chance to look it up, I was wondering if they they were actually on the same planet as The Arsenal of Freedom.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

It just struck me, Cylon number 2 is the new number 1

 

[NCC-73515]

But holy Small Universe Syndrome!! Given the Romulan poem, the first planet under consideration is Betazed but then becomes Trill with the extra verse. Not only are they two planets associated with Trek main characters but currently one is on board Discovery with issues.

Not surprising since it's the connection between humanoid species that is the big topic here.
Was it small universe syndrome that humans, Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians were all searching for the same clues and then met all together in The Chase? Nope, it was part of the story.

 

[Quantum21]

Not surprising since it's the connection between humanoid species that is the big topic here.
Was it small universe syndrome that humans, Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians were all searching for the same clues and then met all together in The Chase? Nope, it was part of the story.

Is it small universe or large universe? I think Halo did a similar storyline after The Chase: The species weren't related but a more advanced alien species killed then re-seeded life. It links other planets with our own, it has a grand feel about it.

 

[Jayson1]

How does that work? Every third episode having an ex-girl friend/relative/mentor/old pal show up is less small universe than one character in an 10 episode arc?

The difference is since the episodes were stand alone you might see Worf's brother show up but he is out of the picture in the next episode and what he and his brother did will not impact what happens in the next episode. I think it might just be that it all lends itself more to melodrama instead of just regular drama.

 

[Hawku]

I really like these ancient treasure plots. It's got to be that Rayner is playing Discovery and competing with Kovich for the life device.

 

[fireproof78]

How does that work? Every third episode having an ex-girl friend/relative/mentor/old pal show up is less small universe than one character in an 10 episode arc?

A good question. Seems the double standard is alive and well.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The difference is since the episodes were stand alone you might see Worf's brother show up but he is out of the picture in the next episode and what he and his brother did will not impact what happens in the next episode. I think it might just be that it all lends itself more to melodrama instead of just regular drama.

Yeah but then in two episodes you get Picard's old teacher and then a few episodes later Riker's old captain followed by Beverly's cousin. That makes the universe much smaller than just one person with a connection to a regular.

 

[Mr Awe]

Is this the first episode of Star Trek you've seen?

Nope. I suppose you're trying to be funny. But it's not working.

Yeah, small universe syndrome is a thing in Trek and elsewhere but this was a massive dose. Not just knowing Moll but also Betazed then Trill.

 

[Jayson1]

I suppose but at the end of the season you didn't have a long story arc whee Picard's old teacher,Riker's old Captain and Beverly's cousin ended up playing important roles in resolving the season arc.