Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

[taperoo2k]

Real talk: How crucial would Shelby and Shaw have been for a Star Trek: Picard spinoff?

The crucial thing is selling an idea for a show to the people who make the decisions about which series to develop, pick up for series or pass up. I do think there will probably be a Picard Spinoff, but it might be a while before anything happens.

I mean, the deaths are easy enough to confirm if they've seen screeners up to ep10, but why would yon YouTuber have solid knowledge about what's on the slate?

I doubt they have any solid info about what those in charge of Star Trek are planning. They might have some unconfirmed rumours and are making assumptions.

I think the more likely scenario is that after their near extinction at the hands of Admiral Janeway the Queen learns that Picard had a son and realized what the genetic alterations done to him could mean being passed down to a child.

Maybe the Queen learned that Picard had a son from assimilating Admiral Janeway, she traveled back in time from 2404.

It's either something the Borg Queen stumbled upon or she's always had the knowledge and had no use for it, until Janeway wrecked the Queen's control of the Hive Mind. Maybe Jack is the way around the pathogen Janeway used. It just looks like a more subtle version of the plan the Borg had in Voyager for seeding Earth with a nano probe virus.

Will this be the end of the Borg? I think it might be a question that's left open ended.

 

[Yistaan]

I hate that they shot Shelby!

Think how much trauma Picard went through on killing a bunch of Starfleet officers he barely knew at Wolf 359. Sidney, Alandra, Mura etc. are going to be emotional wrecks after realizing they helped kill Shaw and all the assimilated junior officers, assuming they're cured next week, will have to live with the fact they were used to kill their mentors and older friends, etc.

Not to mention all of them will now be obsessively checking their genomes, sperm/ova, and the genomes of their kids after this probably for the rest of their lives.

 

[fireproof78]

Will this be the end of the Borg?

Yes, please.

 

[PatB1974]

I hate that they shot Shelby!

Me too! I was glad to see her.

 

[Fateor]

The whole plan is just extremely convoluted and it’s not believable it would work, especially as it relies on a single person being at the right place at the right moment while the whole fleet (!!!) is somehow in the Sol system, for example. And of course the only (!) ship still free of Borg influence is the D.

I feel like you might be looking at this from the position of a bad assumption.

With that assumption being that The Borg are still at a point where this would be considered a "bad plan" instead of a point where this would be considered "the only plan they can do". And they had been looking for Jack for months. So it wasn't really the last minute. In fact, if Jack didn't show up when he did, it's likely they would have scrubbed the plan for something else.

Also, I think you missed a bit of dialog in the episode. Because Geordi specified that the D was the only functional ship free of Borg influence. Not the only ship there free of Borg influence. Which makes perfect sense since it's a museum and the D was his pet project.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Whoa there Hoss, fair is fair. Don't single one poster out when you're going to make a blanket statement like that. Lots of posts in this thread fall into talk of "modern politics."

a) Don't argue with a moderator in the thread. Take it to private message if you must.
b) Don't call him Hoss.

 

[Gepard]

I hate that they shot Shelby!

I hate how they shot Shelby. It was very awkwardly staged, and the choice of when to cut to black didn't work for me.

 

[Fateor]

Will this be the end of the Borg? I think it might be a question that's left open ended.

We already know the Borg survive into the far future from Lower Decks.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Nachayev needs to show up and stand everyone down with her punitive glare.

 

[Macintosh]

To be fair, assuming they were up and running, any of the museum ships would work. Arguably, the Defiant would be the one to take. Or the Voyager, maybe. But Geordi would know best.

While the Defiant was designed as a Borg-buster, it's clearly not capable of soloing a Cube. The idea was that there'd be squadrons of them. We see the Defiant struggle to best the Lakota one-on-one, and that's just an Excelsior-class (albeit one upgraded with enhanced phasers and quantum torpedoes). While very powerful for her size, the Defiant is TINY – it's doubtful indeed whether it could go toe-to-toe with a Sovereign-class or Galaxy-class. The Enterprise-D might still be the most powerful ship in the whole museum.

Edited to correct a formatting issue I only just spotted.

 

[fireproof78]

Because Geordi specified that the D was the only functional ship free of Borg influence. Not the only ship there free of Borg influence. Which makes perfect sense since it's a museum and the D was his pet project.

Which begs the question if all the other ships at the museum were hooked in to the network?

 

[TerryTrek]

I hate that they shot Shelby!

I loved it. Even if she's dead.

Perhaps her best adventures are behind her, as a Captain.

I would have been fine with her as Captain of the Enterprise-F in Canon, after Captain Worf on the E.

 

[Mr Awe]

I can’t say I felt that way. Somehow, they’ll beat Borg. All the under 25 crowd will be saved. And all will be well.

The only character who I think might buy it is Jack. And that’s just because he’s somehow going to use the transmitter to shut the Borg down. All of them. For good. (Until another writer decides to bring them back.)

Jack will survive. Remember, there was a plan for a Legacy series (even if that's not happening now). I'm sure that included him. Plus, having all his character development then having him die seems a waste.

Thematically, it makes sense for JL to die saving Jack though. I've been told that's not happening. But it seems appropriate.

 

[Rahul]

Think how much trauma Picard went through on killing a bunch of Starfleet officers he barely knew at Wolf 359. Sidney, Alandra, Mura etc. are going to be emotional wrecks after realizing they helped kill Shaw and all the assimilated junior officers, assuming they're cured next week, will have to live with the fact they were used to kill their mentors and older friends, etc.

Not to mention all of them will now be obsessively checking their genomes, sperm/ova, and the genomes of their kids after this probably for the rest of their lives.

I am very sad that, once again, a season long nuTrek arc pivoted to shit in the second-to-last episode.

Like season 1, which was a mixed, but ultimately okay Romulan/Borg story, suddenly becoming a "tentacle AI will kill all of life just because" story, turning this mostly thrilling conspiracy thriller into "everyone turns into Borg zombies genocide" in the penultimate episode is just sad.

"Kingsman" did it better.

This has to be the episode with the biggest human Bodycount ever - realistically Starfleet doesn't exist after that anymore, as Every single high ranking person is dead.

 

[fireproof78]

Remember, there was a plan for a Legacy series (even if that's not happening now). I'm sure that included him. Plus, having all his character development then having him die seems a waste.

Out of curiosity, why? He connects with Picard, makes peace with his nature, and saves them all. Boom. Heroic story.

 

[Racefuel]

The cut immediately after the shot was to allow the remote possibility that she survived.

So...?

 

[Amaris]

S03E09, "Vox"


Lots of issues with this episode for me, from the singularly awful idea of having a single point of failure in a security system that can control an entire fleet, to Jack having special Borg DNA, which some of you called weeks ago. The reveal was underwhelming. The crew becoming Borgified was kind of funny, especially with the need to comment vocally about everything happening. That's one hell of a telegraphing move: "Eliminate non-assimilated, but give them about 10 seconds or so to react first,"

Anyhoo, I knew Captain Todd Stashwyck was going to die, and yeah, knew he was going to use Seven's name at last. Lots of gunfire, gunplay, Star Trek: Phaser plot development that I've come to expect from this season. Borg baby Jack can't make it any worse in that regard. Still, let's not focus on all of the negatives, let's focus on some positives:

* Seriously nice Frontier Day visuals. Good work SFX team.
* Interesting idea with using transporters to spread Borg DNA. I didn't expect that one.

There were also some solid quotes:

Seven: "The robot's right."

Geordi: "Data, could you try to be a little more positive?"
Data: "...I hope we die quickly?!"

And of course, the beautiful Enterprise D being brought out to cause our nostalgia bombs to explode all over the place. It was the highlight of the episode for me, and easily accounts for half the score I gave this episode.

Now we'll get to see how all of this incredible mess of a season wraps up.

 

[fireproof78]

While some of these surprise me, I will not believe anyone is dead until the credits roll.

 

[Noname Given]

The line near the beginning... we haven't heard from the Borg in over a decade... when did season 2 happen then? lol

That was a derelict Borg ship that the Romulans and Starfleet had been studying for years (Way more then 10 years too.)

There was no Queen. 7 of 9 took control to purge the remaining Borg drones.

As for PICARD Season 2 <--- That wasn't the 'known' Borg Collective, it was something different (In the way Hugh's/Lore's Collective was different way back in TNG S6 Descent.

Posting after only reading to Page 3 - But yeah, this was a very good episode. I have to say, I enjoy the way subvert supposed 'trusted' technology like the Transporter. <--- That tech has always been scary on some level to me ever since I first saw Star Trek as a child of 6 (During TOS S3 airing on NBC in 1969); in that - did it really just 'transport' what was actually you; or did it just disintegrate that instance of you and create a copy that continues to believe in you?

Also interesting that Ro Lauren didn't reveal that to Picard in the Holo-Bar. Now we REALLY know why she didn't want to use the Transporter, EVER AGAIN!

And yeah, if were a hard core TNG fan, I could see how well the 1701-D Bridge set, and the 1701-D ship model REALLY wuld go over well.

(I have to say I wish Alec Kurtzman and Akiva Goldsman would have thrown us old TOS fans such a nice bone to the original TOS Starship/Constitution Class ship design and original TOS Bridge set in Discovery or Strange New Worlds...of course, there's STILL TIME for something along those lines at some point if they're listening...)

But yeah, even as a very casual TNG fan (still not in my top 2 of best Trek series and never will be...this was a good episode on many levels, and yeah, they may really stick the landing after all - ALTHOUGH, how a 35+ year old vessel will stand up to a modern Borg controlled Starfleet....I HOPE they don't give us a 'Particle of the Week' or a 'Traveler Wesley Saves the day ending.

Guess I'll know one way or the other in 7 days.

Edited to add:
Oh yeah -
Geordi: "We can't use the Enterprise E..."
>EVERYBODY looks at Worf...<
Worf: "That wasn't my fault..."
^^^
I'm assuming that's canonizing some TNG comic book/TNG Novel incident?...
If so, anyone know exactly what occurred?

 

[Yistaan]

Plus, having all his character development then having him die seems a waste.

Dahj, Cristobal Rios, Agnes Jurati arguably, and likely Liam Shaw have entered the chat.