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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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Truly awful in every way... :barf: You should be ashamed.

Those uppity women sure do need to keep their place right? Wow
No one should be accusing someone of sexism (or any other -ism) without hard evidence. The post that @Ronin'sCreamyCandle wrote was in regards to Shelby the character, not her gender. To then turn it into something gender related borders on defaming another poster.

I literally had to call in defamation lawyers at theforce.net because they took my comment about the unlikelihood of Luke dating Camie in the Last Jedi novelization out of context to accuse me of sexism in a public website.
 
It's pretty obvious to any Star Trek fan? Do I really need to explain why this episode is a masterpiece? lol

I've been a Star Trek fan since I was 9 years old, I am 37 years old now, and "Vox," while fun, is not a masterpiece. It is absolutely nowhere near episodes like "Far Beyond the Stars" or "In the Pale Moonlight" or "Forget Me Not" or "The Best of Both Worlds, Part I," or, well, most of DS9 S6, or...

Someday I might care about a car they way some care about a fictional starship.

Haha. For what it's worth, I've always had a much easier time falling in love with fictional starships than real cars. But I've been really fixating on the Chevy Bolt and I'm hoping to be able to afford one within a year. Might have just found myself my first car love. ;)

What holes do you think there were?

The biggest plot hole is why they sent organic security officers whom they knew Jack could mind control to guard him rather than sending Data. The next-biggest plot hole is why they didn't take any steps to try to stop Jack's shuttle from departing, up to and including ordering the immediate decompression of the shuttlebay so he couldn't even board it to begin with. The third plot hole remains why Jean-Luc never sought help from Soji and the Coppelius Androids, who would clearly be an enormous asset to the Titan crew right now.
 
To be fair, assuming they were up and running, any of the museum ships would work. Arguably, the Defiant would be the one to take. Or the Voyager, maybe. But Geordi would know best.
Yeah, if there's one ship in that museum that was designed to hit the Borg where it hurts them, it would be the so aptly named USS Ben Sisko's Motherf*****g Pimp Hand. Now that I'm thinking of it, Worf was already complaining about the weaponry of the Enterprise; I would've found it even better if he kept mentioning the Defiant as his preferred alternative.
 
I've said before about this season of Picard that I'm prepared to overlook a number of minor plot quibbles or questionable design choices because the emotional beats are landing perfectly each and every single time. This has been such a celebration of the actors and characters that made me fall in love with Star Trek in the first place.
I think this is a great summation of why this season works for so many. Well put. Have a like!
 
I'll admit to getting a case of the warm fuzzies when Picard and crew stepped onto the bridge of the Enterprise-D (I'm only human), but future Trek projects really need to look forward, not to the past. Writers have gone to the well far too many times with their Wrath of Khan and The Best of Both Worlds references (Strange New Worlds has already knelt at the altar of TWOK in its first season and now Terry Matalas managed paeans to both in season 3 of Picard).

TWOK
came out 41 years ago; TNG's Borg 2-parter was 33 years ago. I dearly wish that any future writers who truly loved those bold, exciting takes on Trek would try delivering something similarly fresh and exciting for 21st century Trek viewers. I'd say it's long overdue.

Obviously, we still have one episode to go before the finale of Picard, but it seems a bit sad that the ultimate aim of season three (aside from "fixing" things Terry Matalas didn't like about the last 29 years of Star Trek) is to put Picard and crew back on the Enterprise-D—exactly where we left them at the end of "All Good Things". This isn't progress, it's nostalgia on steroids.

One thing that nags at me is how quickly SF seemingly retired the Galaxy class.
There are hardly any in the 25th century it seems... which seems very unlikely as the class was new for its time (and only 7 years younger than the Sovereign class).

Also, the turn towards more 23rd century-esque type designs and some other bits (plus those not so appealing nacelles), seems downright unnecessary.

Seeing the ENT-D back on the screen just reaffirmed what I said before: the ships SF had in service prior to the 25th century were perfectly fine design-wise (plus they seemingly looked better) and could have simply received internal/external upgrades to keep them on par with state of the art designs.
The ENT-D in particular could have been repaired just after its original demise at Veridian III and put back into active service.

I don't mind SF introducing new class of ships every once in a while, but they already have too many as is... and ships they make were originally intended to last 200 years (at least - with replicators and transporters, you can indefinitely continue to refresh the ship's internal infrastructure every decade or so if it underwent too much unexpected strain during its field missions and continue to extend the ship's lifespan into the future by giving it internal and external upgrades - hull panels can be transported out and replaced with state of the art material ones in the same shape of the hull's geometry if a better material is what SF began using)... and with new technologies, existing classes would undergo design changes eventually, possibly every 50 odd years).

What I didn't like was the implication that the 'whole of SF' gathered at Frontier Day in SOL.
Its utterly moronic. I can understand what we saw being a very tiny fraction of the entire Starfleet... but the ENTIRE SF for the WHOLE Federation?
Nope... just doesn't track.
That implies they left their borders unchecked, humanitarian missions suspended, deep space explorations stopped years in advance to allow all ships to be present there.

Writers need a better grip on what's plausible... THAT wasn't plausible... and it would still make the Borg plan work anyway because their signal permeates subspace and would have put the ENTIRE Federation in peril because (for example) by assimilating a small SF fleet of ships in SOL would give them further signal boost to do the same to fleets in other UFP solar systems and beyond?

All it seems like SF was in charge of just Earth, and the rest of the Federation doesn't exist and needs no SF at all?
Come on.
 
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To be fair, assuming they were up and running, any of the museum ships would work. Arguably, the Defiant would be the one to take. Or the Voyager, maybe. But Geordi would know best.

Yeah, if there's one ship in that museum that was designed to hit the Borg where it hurts them, it would be the so aptly named USS Ben Sisko's Motherf*****g Pimp Hand. Now that I'm thinking of it, Worf was already complaining about the weaponry of the Enterprise; I would've found it even better if he kept mentioning the Defiant as his preferred alternative.

I would assume that either Geordi has been quietly refitting the Enterprise-D with upgraded weaponry over the years, or that the Starfleet remote control network system is backwards compatible to ships launched circa 2371 but not ships launched circa 2364.
 
Close Encounters homage I haven't seen anyone mention:

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He’s fine. And up until episode 5, he told a decent story. It slowed down a bit but still had promise. But this? This is not what I want in my Trek.
Yeah, a real mixed bag. I was really loving the first half of the season, but the 2nd half has been a constant decline.
 
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why Jean-Luc never sought help from Soji and the Coppelius Androids, who would clearly be an enormous asset to the Titan crew right now.
They might not be able to do much to be honest. They had no fleet to defend themselves against the Zhat Vash in Season 1. Now Jurati's faction on the other hand, might not only be able to help with force but might actually solve the problem because they realistically could likely identify Jack's altered DNA and either fix it or "redirect" it so that Jack gravitates to Jurati's friendly Borg instead of the evil Borg.
 
Yeah, if there's one ship in that museum that was designed to hit the Borg where it hurts them, it would be the so aptly named USS Ben Sisko's Motherf*****g Pimp Hand. Now that I'm thinking of it, Worf was already complaining about the weaponry of the Enterprise; I would've found it even better if he kept mentioning the Defiant as his preferred alternative.

Could have redone the ‘tough little ship’ dialogue and it would have worked too.
They are both easier for smaller crews, more modern than the D, and in both cases may have specific anti-Borg tech.
But maybe they weren’t spaceready, or had been decommissioned recently enough that they were networked.
I mean, we know the real reason, but in universe we have to go with ‘Geordi knows best’ and the subtly hinted at ‘Picard can start this one up with his voice print’ aka ‘we got the keys to this one’.
 
Nearing 60 pages. Wow.

We have a crowd pleaser on our hands. Not based on this board of course, but the near unanimous praise across social media.

It's amazing to think that next week could top it!

As someone who disliked Shelby and her arrogance towards the TNG crew when it first aired, I greatly enjoyed seeing Riker live and Shelby getting two phaser hits pumped into her arrogant ass. It was a massive hit of dopamine, and brought closure to me.


Actually, they shot Shelby in the boobs.


Perhaps she had a phaser-proof bra on.
 
They might not be able to do much to be honest. They had no fleet to defend themselves against the Zhat Vash in Season 1.

On the other hand, it's been two years, they are androids, and they have possession of a Borg cube. I could easily imagine the Coppellius Androids having built a fleet of ships based on Borg technology for themselves. And even if they don't, their advanced physical abilities would clearly have made them vital assets in the mission to infiltrate Daystrum Station and in defense of the Titan from the Borgified junior officers.

Now Jurati's faction on the other hand, might not only be able to help with force but might actually solve the problem because they realistically could likely identify Jack's altered DNA and either fix it or "redirect" it so that Jack gravitates to Jurati's friendly Borg instead of the evil Borg.

Excellent point. If Jurati were to come in and save the day with a Han Solo-saving-Luke-esque moment, that would be pretty awesome.
 
On the other hand, it's been two years, they are androids, and they have possession of a Borg cube. I could easily imagine the Coppellius Androids having built a fleet of ships based on Borg technology for themselves. And even if they don't, their advanced physical abilities would clearly have made them vital assets in the mission to infiltrate Daystrum Station and in defense of the Titan from the Borgified junior officers.



Excellent point. If Jurati were to come in and save the day with a Han Solo-saving-Luke-esque moment, that would be pretty awesome.

I see the point, and think crewing the D with all of Data’s kids would be hilarious, I am not sure the story could afford a few days jaunt to see if any of them volunteer, or that the show had the budget for it.
 
Doesn't matter any longer I guess, given this episode seems to infer that...everyone over 25 in Starfleet is now dead? Or at least anyone onboard a ship?

This is such a WTF moment for me I don't know what to say. Even when Picard & company defeat this, you're talking about a complete decapitation of the entire officer corps.
I'm sure there will be a massive reset switch--so a real homage to Berman's Trek!

They'll unassimilate them. They'll shut down the Borg network probably via Jack. Then probably use transporters to remove the doctored DNA. Back to mostly normal, all within an hour!
 
You treat her like a lady... and she'll always bring you home.
I keep holding open the doors for my car and giving it flowers and no dice. And the mechanics have lots of questions about the champagne in the gas tank.
I hate that they shot Shelby!
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