Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x08 - "Surrender"

[Tuskin38]

Dave tweeted that Frontier day is April 12th 2151

So I guess he's squeezing 4 days between the NX-01's launch and the first Captain's log in the episode.

 

[SG-17]

Which makes sense for when NX-01 launched.

 

[J. Frank Doobie]

So I'd guess Kestra was off having one of her adventures and came back to an empty house, then looked up that Captain she mentioned in S1 and will show up at the end of Ep10

Matalas said in an interview that they originally noted in dialog that Kestra was at SF Academy:

"We had it in there, but again, it just didn't fit in with the dialogue. [There are] so many things you put in that fans are like, ‘Why didn't you just say this?’ You have it in there and it sounds like garbage. We had that line in there, and, ‘Thank God, Kestra is alive and well and at Starfleet Academy…’ It just sounds terrible, so you take it out."

From Collider

 

[gvn2fly]

You could have a line earlier in the season when Riker mentions troubles with Deanna about how its harder since its just the 2 of them since Kestra is away at the academy.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Matalas said in an interview that they originally noted in dialog that Kestra was at SF Academy:

"We had it in there, but again, it just didn't fit in with the dialogue. [There are] so many things you put in that fans are like, ‘Why didn't you just say this?’ You have it in there and it sounds like garbage. We had that line in there, and, ‘Thank God, Kestra is alive and well and at Starfleet Academy…’ It just sounds terrible, so you take it out."

From Collider

Yep, I read that earlier post. That's what re-started the discussion about what year it was and whether Kestra would be old enough to go to SF (if it was even in her plans).

I think a throwaway line like "thank god she was away at SF", would have been perfectly fine, if she is in fact, away at SF. 2 seconds to answer what should be an important question.

 

[fireproof78]

Matalas said in an interview that they originally noted in dialog that Kestra was at SF Academy:

"We had it in there, but again, it just didn't fit in with the dialogue. [There are] so many things you put in that fans are like, ‘Why didn't you just say this?’ You have it in there and it sounds like garbage. We had that line in there, and, ‘Thank God, Kestra is alive and well and at Starfleet Academy…’ It just sounds terrible, so you take it out."

From Collider

Yeah it's the famous writer's struggle. You can write it but you can't say it in a way that fits within the intent of the scene, the pacing and the dialog. It sound small but it's not as simple as fans think it to be,

 

[Tuskin38]

Captain Worf

 

[TRON JA307020]

Captain Worf

Yeah a captain worf series would be nice but we aren't getting one.

 

[Tuskin38]

well he's not wearing command colours anyways, he's a captain of security/tactical.

 

[Sci]

You could have a line earlier in the season when Riker mentions troubles with Deanna about how its harder since its just the 2 of them since Kestra is away at the academy.

Honestly, one of the things that's been bugging me this season is that Will and Deanna seemed to have arrived at a place of resolution with their grief in "Nepenthe," and then suddenly in S3 they're acting like it's a relatively recent wound again and all of the progress they had made processing their grief before PIC S1 is just gone. I felt dramatically arbitrary. I would have had a much easier time accepting that they were having trouble in their marriage if Will had said something about their relationship changing for the worse once Kestra moved out.

 

[fireproof78]

Honestly, one of the things that's been bugging me this season is that Will and Deanna seemed to have arrived at a place of resolution with their grief in "Nepenthe," and then suddenly in S3 they're acting like it's a relatively recent wound again and all of the progress they had made processing their grief before PIC S1 is just gone.

I think they were until Riker left to help Picard.

 

[Sci]

I think they were until Riker left to help Picard.

Will indicates in 3x01 that the conflict between him and Deanna pre-dates his decision to leave to help Jean-Luc.

 

[jackoverfull]

There was dialogue between Troi and Riker that said she was safe at SF academy,

odd, somehow I didn’t think she would be interested in joining.

That would indicate a much later year than the 2402-ish some are saying. Kestra was, what, ten in S1?

either it’s later or Starfleet does preparatory classes for children or just summer camps.

There's other dialogue leads me to think it's much later. Picard said "years ago" in reference to something from S1(?), and I know it's technically correct, but one doesn't usually use that term for 1-2 years.

Yes, setting season 3 a couple of years later would work better imho.

I know. But they do seem to be doubling down on it being 2401 at the same time (Dave Blass and Michael Okuda seem to be on Twitter, at least).

indeed.

 

[jackoverfull]

Honestly, one of the things that's been bugging me this season is that Will and Deanna seemed to have arrived at a place of resolution with their grief in "Nepenthe," and then suddenly in S3 they're acting like it's a relatively recent wound again and all of the progress they had made processing their grief before PIC S1 is just gone.

in the first couple of episodes this bugged me too, but they literally explained it in the prison scene and I’m totally fine with it.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Honestly, one of the things that's been bugging me this season is that Will and Deanna seemed to have arrived at a place of resolution with their grief in "Nepenthe," and then suddenly in S3 they're acting like it's a relatively recent wound again and all of the progress they had made processing their grief before PIC S1 is just gone. I felt dramatically arbitrary. I would have had a much easier time accepting that they were having trouble in their marriage if Will had said something about their relationship changing for the worse once Kestra moved out.

Likely they put on a good show when company came by, or at least for the sake of their daughter. If Kestra is away, that would make it harder to keep up appearances.

 

[fireproof78]

Will indicates in 3x01 that the conflict between him and Deanna pre-dates his decision to leave to help Jean-Luc.

And? Conflict is an interesting thing amongst humans. Things go unsaid, people hide their true motivations, or put forward a brave face. Humans can even sublimate (Freudian term, yes I know) desires in to another task to manage that emotion rather than allow it to come out.

I don't find the conflict that unbelievable. Only that they had made peace as best they could.

 

[gvn2fly]

Will indicates in 3x01 that the conflict between him and Deanna pre-dates his decision to leave to help Jean-Luc.

And in 3x04 and in 3x08. I'm fine with them not telling Picard about their problems in Nepenthe. He came to them for help with a guest after not seeing them in a while and it's a personal matter.

 

[Sci]

And? Conflict is an interesting thing amongst humans. Things go unsaid, people hide their true motivations, or put forward a brave face. Humans can even sublimate (Freudian term, yes I know) desires in to another task to manage that emotion rather than allow it to come out.

I don't find the conflict that unbelievable. Only that they had made peace as best they could.

And in 3x04 and in 3x08. I'm fine with them not telling Picard about their problems in Nepenthe. He came to them for help with a guest after not seeing them in a while and it's a personal matter.

To clarify: It's not that I think this is a discontinuity per se. Rather what bugs me is that it feels to me dramatically arbitrary and it feels to me that it unnecessarily undermines the dramatic integrity of "Nepenthe."

 

[fireproof78]

To clarify: It's not that I think this is a discontinuity per se. Rather what bugs me is that it feels to me dramatically arbitrary and it feels to me that it unnecessarily undermines the dramatic integrity of "Nepenthe."

To clarify I find it completely necessary because it showcases that two things can be true at once.

 

[Sci]

To clarify I find it completely necessary because it showcases that two things can be true at once.

I suppose I would have less of a problem with it if Will had talked more about the shift in his perspective from the time of "Nepenthe" to "The Next Generation." Even if it had only been something like, "You know, for years I really thought I'd come to a place of peace with my grief. But lately it's come back. I don't even really understand why. But I'm hurting, and I'm hurting Deanna." To me, the way it's been executed feels like it's undermining the place the emotional situation characters were in during "Nepenthe" rather than complicating it.