Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x06 - "The Bounty"

[Captain Moe]

Anyone want to continue the discussion in the Trek Zoom tomorrow (Saturday)? 9 PM GMT/ 4 PM EDT, link is posted in General Trek Forum at meeting time. I find myself nodding along with some of the posts here and wondering about getting to know some of the posters better. And the ones I completely disagree with I’m curious get a better sense of their perspectives. “Bounty” is basically all we’ll be discussing. So, yeah, I think it’d be nice to meet more nerds, er-uh, make new friends.

Here is the thread where the meeting link gets posted.

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/zoom-session-to-talk-about-star-trek.306852/page-32

 

[BandoOfBorg]

Yeah, my first thought was that it was a changeling posing as Troi, but I guess we'll find out soon. Riker should know in short order.

 

[DarKush]

I mean, the problem with this argument is it pretends we don't have 75 years of mind transfer as an actual thing. It's the fans drawing a line in the sand that is completely arbitrary. Basically, it's insisting, "Listen, every time someone is transported they die and are cloned. Why are we not addressing this in-universe."

Because it's not true.

I'm not "pretending" anything. We don't have "75-years of mind transfer" into an artificial being, created by one time enemies of the Federation, to contend with.

 

[Bea Jonas]

Seven and Raffi broke up, officially ending any LGBTQ+ representation in this series.

Given the disturbing rise of intolerance against LGBTQ+ folks here in the US lately, losing Seven &Raffi as couple was the only downside for me in an otherwise enjoyable episode.

 

[SJGardner]

While Seven and Raffi breaking up wouldn't make them cease being LGBTQ+ people, the way it was handled still left me with a bad taste in the mouth. It was treated so nonchalantly and rapidly, not to mention with Worf doing most of the talking, that I couldn't help but sense an overarching vibe of "Seven & Raffi was a mistake and this is a course correction." Which I found very hard not to interpret as an attempt to reset Seven's character as if "making her gay" was an ill-advised and unnecessary move.

And as a side note, the amount of people complaining that she couldn't possibly be gay because of a brief relationship she had with a piece of plywood in a uniform 25 years ago is as frightening as it is completely unsurprising. Nothing but good old bi- and pansexual erasure.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Given the disturbing rise of intolerance against LGBTQ+ folks here in the US lately, losing Seven &Raffi as couple was the only downside for me in an otherwise enjoyable episode.

I'm very curious how the next wave of Trek projects will approach inclusivity. It won't be Trek without it.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Riker will know it's the real Troi because he can speak telepathically to the real Troi.

Depends on if Pah Wraiths can fake telepathic signatures and hijack psionic bonds

 

[Citiprime]

While Seven and Raffi breaking up wouldn't make them cease being LGBTQ+ people, the way it was handled still left me with a bad taste in the mouth. It was treated so nonchalantly and rapidly, not to mention with Worf doing most of the talking, that I couldn't help but sense an overarching vibe of "Seven & Raffi was a mistake and this is a course correction." Which I found very hard not to interpret as an attempt to reset Seven's character as if "making her gay" was an ill-advised and unnecessary move.

And as a side note, the amount of people complaining that she couldn't possibly be gay because of a brief relationship she had with a piece of plywood in a uniform 25 years ago is as frightening as it is completely unsurprising. Nothing but good old bi- and pansexual erasure.

I never bought the relationship with the plywood either.

However, I always thought the person Seven had chemistry with on Voyager was The Doctor. Although, from the way synthetics are treated, I don't think the 25th century is ready for a human-hologram relationship that goes beyond a holodeck.

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[TimeIsAPredator]

Given the disturbing rise of intolerance against LGBTQ+ folks here in the US lately, losing Seven &Raffi as couple was the only downside for me in an otherwise enjoyable episode.

They had no chemistry much like herself and Chuckles. It does nothing for representation to have a forced looking relationship. It also doesn't make them straight again.

7 is gay or bi and not being in a relationship doesn't change that. Hopefully we see her again and finally in a good relationship.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I never bought the relationship with the plywood either.

However, I always thought the person Seven had chemistry with on Voyager was The Doctor. Although, from the way synthetics are treated, I don't think the 25th century is ready for a human-hologram relationship that goes beyond a holodeck.

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There was a horrible sense of grooming of that relationship.

 

[fireproof78]

Hopefully it sticks the landing would hate the matalas fan boys to be disappointed

Indeed.

With the strong dose of paranoia and trust no one in Season 3, the idea that everyone trusts Picard like that is a missed opportunity.

No, it's not. The point of season 1 was that mutual trust and cooperation should rise over paranoia and fear that had driven the Zhat Vash, the synth ban and Picard's own struggles in the first place.

Jim Kirk is alive in a Daystrom freezer?!?

No, he's not.

 

[The Old Mixer]

In reality, Robert Picardo was an older man, but within the fiction of the show, the Doctor was himself a "born yesterday" character who was exploring his humanity as much as Seven was.

 

[cooleddie74]

A heartbeat sound may mean nothing. That could just mean the organic remains are still intact and usable for whatever purpose they were recovered. Or it could be a red herring just to screw with the heads of anyone who sees it.

 

[Tuskin38]

Drexler posted images of his concept model for Daystrom Station
https://www.facebook.com/doug.drexl...cjKCwE7CjGh7Vf1eUkh1FahPXM4WULaEBbzhGhwvDTMdl

Reuploaded here for those who can't Facebook
https://imgur.com/a/ZzPsnQB

 

[Bea Jonas]

...I couldn't help but sense an overarching vibe of "Seven & Raffi was a mistake and this is a course correction." Which I found very hard not to interpret as an attempt to reset Seven's character as if "making her gay" was an ill-advised and unnecessary move..

I agree. These days there seem to be an awful lot of people trying to erase the idea that LGBTQ+ people even exist IRL, and so in my mind it doesn't help to see fictional relationships like Seven & Raffi's dissolved so cavalierly. Representation matters, at that goes for loving relationships, too.

For those who say well, maybe we'll see them in relationships with other people, I say don't hold your breath. There's a chill in the air, folks, and it's seeped into Star Trek.

 

[Arpy]

I have tried to do a zoom through my phone, but I am not sure how to do this. If I remember correctly, it tells me to download something, but I'm wary of doing that.

(I would have to pass on tomorrow, anyway, because I will be very busy doing a lot of things that can't be postponed.)

Yeah you have to download the Zoom app but that’s no different than any other app you have on your phone. It’s completely safe and free. Hope you can join us another week. We’re loving this season (with all our varying opinions on it) and loving talking about it.

 

[vulcancicada]

Do we usually see the breakups on trek? I guess I have a lot of new trek to watch, though!

I felt like they had it in season 2, they were always fighting and annoying each other toward the end, sure the breakup was kind of an ellipsis but the relationship existed and people break up regardless of sexuality. This season seems to (?) occur later in time as seven is in Starfleet now? Seven and Raffi don't look like they have seen each other in a while, it makes sense that they wouldn't be saying anything. Perhaps they will have a scene in the coming episodes. Perhaps it's part of the premise of whatever series that's clearly being set up.

 

[fireproof78]

Do we usually see the breakups on trek? I guess I have a lot of new trek to watch, though!

We saw Data's, Picard's, Bashir's, and got references to Kirk and Marcus.

That's what I can recall. I'd rather not, but it is a part of the human experience so I guess it can fit in Star Trek....

 

[vulcancicada]

That's true! I guess I have had enough of breakups in my life and television and do not genuinely miss being dragged through that

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

The most breakup-y breakup was Kes and Neelix.
Everything else was romance of the week.
Well, and Bashir and Leeta, so guess. But their entire relationship took place offscreen anyway.