Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x05 - "Imposters"

[Tuskin38]

As for tricorders how about Matalas remembers they exist.

We’ve seen Beverly use a tricorder several times this season. It’s the same one they used in Season 2.

The ships are copy and paste from STO

The Intrepid and Titan are not from STO. Neither is the Shrike.

Ro could have been Commander Red McShirt and it would have made no difference to the plot

Her being Ro was important for Picard.

even the phasers and costuming.

The hand phasers came from Seasons 1 and 2. The common uniform is from Season 2. The combadge is the same in all 3 seasons.

 

[IRW Bloodwing]

Ro's death was way more gratuitous than Hugh's. High was in the whole season and had a very good reason to be there.

Ro could have been Commander Red McShirt and it would have made no difference to the plot. Complete and utter memberberries but of course Matalas is a god because it helps with the bashing.


The ships are copy and paste from STO and the sets and FX are the same "too dark and pew pew" that everyone bitched about before.
Crusher literally had a pump action phaser set to disintegrate that shouted "out of power" at her enemies. As for tricorders how about Matalas remembers they exist.

Panto villian Vadic communicates by cutting off her hand. And don't forget we have a big mystery box OMG reveal still to come.

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All I can say is that you aren't alone. There seems to be an entire cottage industry of modern Trek bashers on YT. I used to be critical of it myself, but for every Discovery (IMO, no fight, please), we have a SNW, or a Prodigy, or (to a lesser extent) Lower Decks. Give me more of those, and I'm on board.

And, for the love of the Great Bird, can we PLEASE stop using terms like "memberberries" as a perjorative? There's nothing wrong with fan service when the prtoducers know what they're doing, and TM does.

 

[Tuskin38]

There's nothing wrong with fan service when the prtoducers know what they're doing, and TM does.

It’s not fan service if it’s done properly

 

[Romulan_spy]

Ro's death was way more gratuitous than Hugh's.

Ro could have been Commander Red McShirt and it would have made no difference to the plot.

No, it was not gratuitous. I am so tired of hearing this. No offense but people who think this do not seem to understand what they are watching. Look deeper. If go back to TNG, Ro Laren was a protegee of Picard. He even saw her like a daughter. He tried to mentor her and guide her out of her rebellious ways. But she betrayed him by rejecting Starfleet and joining the Maquis. It deeply wounded Picard. So the whole point of bringing Ro back in Picard S3 was to being some closure to that really important thread that TNG left dangling. And her death was not gratuitous because she was able to get that closure with Picard and more importantly, sacrificed herself to allow Picard and co. a fighting chance to continue her investigation which was her passion and hopefully save the entire freakin' Federation! Her death is the ultimate act of redemption: a prodigal daugher who came back and gives her life so her mentor can finish her work. It was anything but gratuitous. If she had been commander "red Mcshirt", you would have missed the entire point of bringing closure to a TNG character who meant a lot to Picard and have a meaningful sacrifice that redeems the character and motivates Picard to finish his protegee's work. So no, she could not have been commander "red McShirt".

 

[JamesRye]

Ro's death was way more gratuitous than Hugh's. High was in the whole season and had a very good reason to be there.

Ro could have been Commander Red McShirt and it would have made no difference to the plot. Complete and utter memberberries but of course Matalas is a god because it helps with the bashing.


The ships are copy and paste from STO and the sets and FX are the same "too dark and pew pew" that everyone bitched about before.
Crusher literally had a pump action phaser set to disintegrate that shouted "out of power" at her enemies. As for tricorders how about Matalas remembers they exist.

Panto villian Vadic communicates by cutting off her hand. And don't forget we have a big mystery box OMG reveal still to come.

I'm hoping the panto villain Vadic is fleshed out more later on - because I agree with you that she is a poorly drawn comic book character at the moment. I also agree that the sets are too dark and yes, the pump action phaser is stupid also. I'll go one further and say that I wasn't overly pleased to see Worf decapitating Ferengi henchman. But I can accept it because he is a Klingon - maybe that one does makes me a hypocrite though - because I hated the decapitation scene in Picard Season 1.

I disagree with regards to Ro Laren, the history between her and Picard, and hearing both of them discuss their points of view was, for me, very interesting. Her death somehow felt earned and wasn't there just for shock value, it furthered the plot and felt right to me.

I don't care where the ships come from. Anything is better than the ships we've been shown previously. For me, they have that starfleet look.

 

[fireproof78]

There's nothing wrong with fan service when the prtoducers know what they're doing, and TM does.

Yes, there is. Create a good story and characters first.

Season 3 feels like it can do no wrong and I'm curious to watch this unfold. I'm not invested in Season 3 because Jack is dumb. The fan effervescence though is more dramatically compelling.

 

[Guy Gardener]

What is it with Slider's Season 5 getting all the Babylon 5 actors??

ISN legend Jane, just asked the President (on an episode of Sliders that I am watching) if he sleeps in the nude?

Maybe she asked Clarke the same thing, and that's why he sent her to a concentration camp?

(HA! The Sliders President is the Future Nazi from Deconstruction of Falling Stars.)

 

[jaime]

It’s not fan service if it’s done properly

I was in anime fandom in the nineties. It’s not fanservice unless you can see up their skirt. No skants so far this season, but I reckon Stewart would go for it.

 

[Enterpriserules]

The latest episode of The Artificial Tango is out and we have some fun theories and good discussion!

 

[IRW Bloodwing]

Yes, there is. Create a good story and characters first.

Season 3 feels like it can do no wrong and I'm curious to watch this unfold. I'm not invested in Season 3 because Jack is dumb. The fan effervescence though is more dramatically compelling.

If it helps any, I don't like Jack over much either. Shaw, on the other hand is great!

 

[USS Belmont]

Okay, I am sorry if this has been brought up before. Now that P+ has put up the Shaw turbolift scene from this episode on YT, I feel compelled to say that he got the facts about “Insurrection” wrong - It was not a Prime Directive violation! The Baku was not indigenous to the planet as Admiral Dougherty pointed out to Capt. Picard in his ready room! It was more a disobeying a direct order from a superior officer thing

 

[fireproof78]

Okay, I am sorry if this has been brought up before. Now that P+ has put up the Shaw turbolift scene from this episode on YT, I feel compelled to say that he got the facts about “Insurrection” wrong - It was not a Prime Directive violation! The Baku was not indigenous to the planet as Admiral Dougherty pointed out to Capt. Picard in his ready room! It was more a disobeying a direct order from a superior officer thing

Yes, that's been mentioned. Again, Shaw is not quoting facts; he is stating his opinion and his own bias is showing because he has little regard for the cowboy ways of Picard and Riker. It's not about facts; it's an emotional argument.

 

[Lord Garth]

Ro's death was way more gratuitous than Hugh's. High was in the whole season and had a very good reason to be there.

Ro could have been Commander Red McShirt and it would have made no difference to the plot. Complete and utter memberberries but of course Matalas is a god because it helps with the bashing.


The ships are copy and paste from STO and the sets and FX are the same "too dark and pew pew" that everyone bitched about before.
Crusher literally had a pump action phaser set to disintegrate that shouted "out of power" at her enemies. As for tricorders how about Matalas remembers they exist.

Panto villian Vadic communicates by cutting off her hand. And don't forget we have a big mystery box OMG reveal still to come.

Now it makes more sense why you were asking me why I liked PIC Season 3 so much. I thought it was an odd question, at first, because I wasn't sure where it was coming from.

 

[USS Belmont]

Yes, that's been mentioned. Again, Shaw…has little regard for the cowboy ways of Picard and Riker.

It’s interesting that the 25th Century Starfleet is regarding the earlier period as “cowboy” when the 24th century Starfleet already regarded the 23rd century counterparts as “cowboy”. I think the 25th century Starfleet must think the 23rd century Starfleet as “barbaric”? And 25th century Starfleet is incredibly boring! Or it’s all just tired Star Trek troupe all over again?

 

[fireproof78]

It’s interesting that the 25th Century Starfleet is regarding the earlier period as “cowboy” when the 24th century Starfleet already regarded the 23rd century counterparts as “cowboy”. I think the 25th century Starfleet must think the 23rd century Starfleet as “barbaric”? And 25th century Starfleet is incredibly boring! Or it’s all just tired Star Trek troupe all over again?

I don't think it's 25th century Starfleet. I think it's Shaw, who has a very skewed view of Picard and company and the results of their missions. He is a man who prefer things operate by the rules, that officers do their job rather than cause trouble. He also has a heavily traumatized experience which would inform his opinion around Picard and his missions. None of this is objective or reflective of Starfleet's view as a whole.

 

[Yistaan]

Okay, I am sorry if this has been brought up before. Now that P+ has put up the Shaw turbolift scene from this episode on YT, I feel compelled to say that he got the facts about “Insurrection” wrong - It was not a Prime Directive violation! The Baku was not indigenous to the planet as Admiral Dougherty pointed out to Capt. Picard in his ready room! It was more a disobeying a direct order from a superior officer thing

Picard: How can there be an order to abandon the Prime Directive?

Dougherty: The Prime Directive doesn't apply. These people are not indigenous to this planet. They were never meant to be immortal. We'll simply be restoring them to their natural evolution.

Seems like Shaw was dozing off while watching most of the Ba'ku documentary and apparently only paid attention to the juicy parts with Anij.

 

[Jayden Dersch]

I Can't wait till the new Episode comes out. Who knew the Changeling had a Grudge and Wonder who is their leader?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Okay, I am sorry if this has been brought up before. Now that P+ has put up the Shaw turbolift scene from this episode on YT, I feel compelled to say that he got the facts about “Insurrection” wrong - It was not a Prime Directive violation! The Baku was not indigenous to the planet as Admiral Dougherty pointed out to Capt. Picard in his ready room! It was more a disobeying a direct order from a superior officer thing

TORRES: Apparently thousands of them were built as service modules, but the race who created them, these Builders, were killed off decades ago in a war.
JANEWAY: Leaving the automated units to fend for themselves.
TORRES: Now they're wearing out, breaking down. They've learnt to make repairs to themselves, some pretty complex, but the construction of a power module, the device that sustains them, is beyond their grasp. It's an incredible challenge, Captain, but with enough time to study their systems, I might be able to do it.
JANEWAY: I don't doubt your abilities, B'Elanna, but helping them reproduce is a clear violation of the Prime Directive.
TORRES: They've expressed a desire to procreate. That's basic to any life form.
JANEWAY: I'm not saying they don't have the same rights as any organic species. That's not the issue here.
TORRES: Are you sure? Suppose they were organic but they had become sterile, and we had a treatment that would enable them to start reproducing again. Would you withhold that treatment?

Robots in space, possessing technology more advanced than the Federation.

Prime Directive problem.

JANEWAY: Stand by.
CARETAKER: The self-destruct programme has been damaged. Now this installation will not be destroyed. But it must be. The Kazon must not be allowed to gain control of it. They will annihilate the Ocampa.
(The Caretaker shrinks into a hand-sized rock. Janeway picks it up.) TUVOK: Shall I activate the programme to get us back?
JANEWAY: And what happens to the Ocampa after we're gone?
TUVOK: Captain, any action we take to protect the Ocampa would affect the balance of power in this system. The Prime Directive would seem to apply.
JANEWAY: Would it? We never asked to be involved, Tuvok, but we are. We are.

10s of Thousands of years old alien, with technology way in advance of the Federation up for grabs, Feudal savage opportunists with Kirk level tech living in space without a home world, cow species pets of the alien god creatures using advanced tech also way in advance of Voyager...

Prime Directive problem.



The prime directive is about how shitty star ship captains shouldn't alter the development of planets and alien species, and the entire galaxy, when they first meet some one new, no matter the level of development of that species, by not handing over technology/information or starting a war.

Later, the Entire Federation, who do not have to respect General Order 1 of the Star Fleet Charter because they are not in Star Fleet, mostly the diplomatic corps and the Ambassadors, sometimes the actual Federation Council, defines the relationship that the Federation is going to have with that new Species who is cool with the Federation being obnoxiously friendly, droning on painstakingly about values and goals.

 

[jaime]

Robots in space, possessing technology more advanced than the Federation.

Prime Directive problem.



10s of Thousands of years old alien, with technology way in advance of the Federation up for grabs, Feudal savage opportunists with Kirk level tech living in space without a home world, cow species pets of the alien god creatures using advanced tech also way in advance of Voyager...

Prime Directive problem.



The prime directive is about how shitty star ship captains shouldn't alter the development of planets and alien species, and the entire galaxy, when they first meet some one new, no matter the level of development of that species, by not handing over technology/information or starting a war.

Later, the Entire Federation, who do not have to respect General Order 1 of the Star Fleet Charter because they are not in Star Fleet, mostly the diplomatic corps and the Ambassadors, sometimes the actual Federation Council, defines the relationship that the Federation is going to have with that new Species who is cool with the Federation being obnoxiously friendly, droning on painstakingly about values and goals.

Foreign Office Problem

 

[Noname Given]

Okay, I am sorry if this has been brought up before. Now that P+ has put up the Shaw turbolift scene from this episode on YT, I feel compelled to say that he got the facts about “Insurrection” wrong - It was not a Prime Directive violation! The Baku was not indigenous to the planet as Admiral Dougherty pointed out to Capt. Picard in his ready room! It was more a disobeying a direct order from a superior officer thing

Well Terry Matallis isn't the TNG Cannon Guru he thinks he is. Shaw also brings up the temporal anomaly in the devron system from TNG S7 All Good Things, but at the end of the episode itself, John-Luc makes a log entry stating that nothing in the reality he experienced happened in the 'real world'. He said he was the only one with any memory of what happened in any of the three Q created timelines..

There's also the fact that on DS9 Odo informed everyone that changelings perfectly mimic the objects that they are in at the time. "If you scan me when I'm a rock, you'll read a rock."

In DS9 S3 The Adversary, Sisko & Co find out that an ambassador who sent them on a mission is in fact a changeling; and Dr Bashir States that when he did a medical scan of that ambassador, the Ambassador showed as completely human.

So yeah changelings being able to fool Federation scanners is nothing new. That said maintaining their last form after death is.