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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x05 - "Imposters"

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Deks said:
Confirmation bias is associated with selective memory... so its not an inaccurate statement on my part.
But, putting that aside, and given what we know transpired in Insurrection, Shaw was wrong. But Picard also never bothered to correct him on that 'little' inconsistency... so the writers are in a way giving a silent 'affirmation' that Shaw was correct (when in fact he wasn't).
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No, they're not affirming anything. They are stating that Shaw has a bias-and that's it. This merely confirms his familiarity with the crew of the Enterprise, and why he has such a great distrust of them.

The show doesn't need to tell the audience Shaw is wrong; the show is made for Star Trek fans, and no one else. The selected audience knows Shaw is wrong.
Jarvisimo said:
Don't be obtuse; fifty years later we remember Lee Harvey Oswald, we remember war heroes from the second world war, astronauts and presidents and generals and so on. Worf killed the leader of the second most powerful nation in the alpha/beta quadrant environment, and was/is a member of the ruling imperial house. He was central of every major aspect of imperial politics during several wars, indeed saving the empire. It's only been twenty years since that period, his image and activities would be central to any history of the period, even though he was just a middling to lower officer then brief ambassador.
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Really? I work in the schools and not many teens I talk know who Lee Harvey Oswald is.

I'm not being obtuse. I'm noting the passage of time and that not everyone knows every single person from a war or from another power. Worf is operating outside of both Federation and Klingon space so expecting people to know him is odd to me.

I'm not going to assume that everyone knows Worf, just like I don't assume everyone knows who Alvin York is. It's a risk to assume knowledge.
 
Yistaan said:
As the So'na and Ba'ku ended up being part of the same race, technically they were in a civil war that the Prime Directive would forbid taking sides in. Of course Picard didn't learn that until halfway through the movie and as you said Admiral Dougherty started it, but Shaw's taking an exact words approach to make Picard look as bad as possible.
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Point is that shaw accused Picard of breakin the P.D.
Picard and his crew didn't break it... they were trying to remove the external factor which was in fact breaking it (Dougherty - who also apparently acted on orders from the Federation Council and weren't told the whole story).

In this case, Dougherty broke the P.D. and interference was necessary to stop this. He also helped the Ba'Ku and some So'Na to reconcile their differences.
Plus the Ent-E was attacked by the So'Na... crew had the right to defend themselves.
 
Jarvisimo said:
Don't be obtuse; fifty years later we remember Lee Harvey Oswald, we remember war heroes from the second world war, astronauts and presidents and generals and so on. Worf killed the leader of the second most powerful nation in the alpha/beta quadrant environment, and was/is a member of the ruling imperial house. He was central of every major aspect of imperial politics during several wars, indeed saving the empire. It's only been twenty five years since that period, his image and activities would be central to any history of the period (even though he was just a middling to lower officer then brief ambassador). Yes some people might not recognise him, but that's unlikely for anyone who dabbles in intelligence and secrets and lived through that period...as our criminal leaders of m'talas prime seem to have done so.
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No. Lee Harvey Oswald has been fading from collective memory for a while. As for WW2, I don't think they were even well remembered in the 90s, other than Eisenhower and he isn't even that well remembered. Even Neil Armstrong will be eventually be largely forgotten except for history and space travel buffs, especially if we are able to build outposts and colonies on the Moon and travel there regularly.
 
Markonian said:
This is the worse, sadder timeline. In the First Splinter timeline, Ro joined the Bajoran Militia in 2376, becoming security officer on DS9 and a new foil to Quark. When Bajor joined the Federation, it was Captain Picard who sent her an operations division Starfleet uniform to confirm his forgiveness and convince Lieutenant Ro to stay. Ultimately, Ro rose to captaincy of the DS9 stations and made Quark her boy toy.

Here she went to prison, remained hated by Picard, and died. At least Commander Ro’s return to Starfleet is canonised. I hope Michelle Forbes gets to voice Ro in Star Trek Online sometime!
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You know, this was the first time where I thought the decision to not use the novelverse backstory actually paid off; Ro and Picard's confrontation, though it by all rights should've happened decades ago, was a dramatic opportunity they wouldn't have had if it was already water under the bridge. The fact that the canon version is limited by the realities of human aging and when business people think it makes sense to pay money to make more Star Trek might limit it, and it thus requires Picard, especially, to have actively avoided personal growth for twenty years because he couldn't do it where people were watching, means that things aren't necessarily happening in the ideal way from a character or dramatic perspective, but they are happening.
 
Some of the dialog between Ro and Picard bordered on brilliant. I can certainly understand Picard's anger toward Ro, but not so much hers toward him.. When last we saw her she was asking Riker to apologize to Picard for letting him down.

I would have been nice though if, after she mentions Picard being charged with treason, he replied with: "Who says irony is dead?"
 
Actually, I was a bit surprised Riker seemed to defend her, in the conference room before Ro walked in,
 
The phaser that the Vulcan used was originally designed as a Vulcan weapon in DS9, but never got used as well, instead just used as generic (usually Ferengi) weapon.
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Crewman6 said:
Well, I turned it off once it became clear that the writers of this show have no fucking clue how changelings work.
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Did you even pay attention to the dialogue? Beverly explains it in the episode, holy shit. These are not the same changelings from DS9.
 
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This weeks episode was the best episode of Picard so far, 10/10.

My subtitles do not have the voice in Jack’s vision as being that of the Borg Queen though. The voice also sounds a lot more like Beverley this week. Perhaps Doctor Crusher is a Changeling after all?
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I do not want to spoil the episode for people who have not seen it yet so I will not say why, but I literally teared up. I cannot believe who came back and how it ended. Tragic. This really felt like a proper Star Trek episode.

Amazing work on many levels, this show is finally hitting its stride. This is also the first episode where I have actually liked Captain Shaw as a character.

I’ll nit pick another time.
 
mswood said:
Now I can't say if she had any issue with TNG's production, but there is a very good reason why she wouldn't have been considered for the Eddington role. They needed someone who could do multiple episodes. For the years in question she was rather busy. She did several films and had a series role on Homicide. That filmed on the east coast, and would have made it difficult to do another show that was shot on the West Coast without a significant work in getting clearance from Homicide's production offices.

But thee reality is Trek's casting offices wouldn't want to ask her for a recurring role. With TNG it was hard enough getting her for the episodes she worked because she wasn't a contract player (meaning they had first call on her being available). But DS9 was starting to work with far more serialized stories, and never had enough scripts int eh can to give a significant amount of notice to talent attached to other projects. Certainly by the time she got the Homicide gig in 96, that would kill almost any possibility even for a limited guest appearance. As you would need to know when she had a light work load in advance, and again I m sure neither production add scripts done that far in advance.
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Yistaan said:
I suspect there's more to it than that. Michelle hasn't had a main tv role since 2019's Treadstone, just recurring ones from her wikipedia page. Yet per Star Trek: Picard's Ro Laren cameo explained: The idea of doing a paranoia thriller | EW.com

When asked if it was a fairly easy process to get Forbes back for Star Trek: Picard, Matalas went silent. "Is there another question?" the showrunner asks, laughing.

it sounds like it was hard to get her even now just for a one shot appearance.
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I guess it sounds like there is some other story behind the scenes and fair enough. I don't know if anyone ever publicly talked about the Ro character during the DS9 days either.

I honestly would have rather they had written an excuse to go to Bajor (due to some opaque Odo reference) and find her there, perhaps working for the Bajoran government, rather than bring her back into Starfleet, but they worked with what they had I suppose. lol
 
tomalak301 said:
It really is a movie told on a weekly episodic scale and I haven't felt something like this since probably the early days of The Flash, or maybe something more recent being Orphan Black or Fringe.
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I forgot another show that this season reminds me of when it comes to a compete and great story arc that you can't put down, Severance. I watched Severance earlier this year and each episode just added to the arc that by the time you got to the ending you really wanted to see more. Picard Season 3 will be a season I will look forward to rewatching in full as a binge because I think it will be better if taken in as a whole in a short period of time.
 
Wow..
Don't usually like the killing a character, but it was in this character.. Sad to see her go, though I doubt we'd see her any other way.

I've been so disappointed in Picard first 2 seasons.. But damn.. This is excellent ..
 
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