You've confused Prodigy with Lower Decks.
PRO isn't normally like that, while LD is like that all the time. Probably not even 50%, more like 90%.
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Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x13 - "All the World's a Stage"
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PRO isn't normally like that, while LD is like that all the time. Probably not even 50%, more like 90%.
Murf will apparently
get wobbly little legs
Both canon, but contradicting canon. That's why so many episodes have a little CC in the corner at the beginning. Warning you that there might be contradicting canon in this one.
The moment I saw them on screen, I thought if this Klingon forehead option in STO.
Gradient vertical to get the green/wypipo skin color combo.
Used green eyebrows because male humanoids cannot use makeup.
Love the green uni! This commander joins my TOS/Kelvin-themed 25th century crew as bridge officer. Still thinking of a name.
(The Romulans have access to outfits that are stitched together but can't use Starfleet emblems on those).
Gradient vertical to get the green/wypipo skin color combo.
Used green eyebrows because male humanoids cannot use makeup.
Love the green uni! This commander joins my TOS/Kelvin-themed 25th century crew as bridge officer. Still thinking of a name.
(The Romulans have access to outfits that are stitched together but can't use Starfleet emblems on those).
Are the protostar's consoles all holograms? The helm and nav consoles VANISHED to be replaced with the TOS version. It's not an overlay, they're in different places.
According to the writer the physical consoles got beamed in a cargo bay.
I think he was partially joking when he said that, but could be possible. It’s also possible that given it is holodeck technology, size and physical distance are illusions, there to complete the effect.
That was just lovely! It reminded me a little of Galaxy Quest, and a little of "Mr. Burns, a post electric play." But mostly of the joy and pathos of the original animated series. It's still for kids (as demonstrated by the young girl who can fly a spaceship just from knowing the history of it). And you have to surrender to that as an adult, right? That's what made it so charming and clever though.
The Gallows. the mysterious ensign, the clue in the single red shirt on stage.
The Gallows. the mysterious ensign, the clue in the single red shirt on stage.
To be fair, we know nothing about their species — if they are a highly imitative and adaptive culture, and spent every day from birth learning the rote movements from Garrovick and old damaged equipment training manuals, they may be… dare I say, Prodigies?
Both canon, but contradicting canon. That's why so many episodes have a little CC in the corner at the beginning. Warning you that there might be contradicting canon in this one.
Given how much things can change in a decade in real life... for a society that has transporters and replicators...making changes on a large scale (aesthetically speaking, or even down to the internals/superstructure level) would be no big deal really.
It would literally involve beaming stuff out, replacing them in the matter stream and beaming them back into place.
Even if you can't dematerialize and rematerialize a whole ship (which is certainly doable if SF simply installed enough buffer storage and pattern enhancers in its shipyards), you can still upgrade or change a ship by doing sections (as large as a shuttle for example or even a runabout - since even ship transporter buffers can transport something of that size and density).
SNW and Disco ARE based off ENT and TOS... just more 'modern looking'. I do prefer the updated looks, but there's no reason the TOS bit couldn't co-exist in universe and say that SF decided to 'change things' visually' a bit as it maybe had more 'functionality' for experimentation sake.
That and Murf is in his evolutionary phase which leads me to think we will see Okona and possibly Frex in the next episode.. while the Dauntless looming over the Protostar (as we saw in the trailer) will be from the next episode (suspense and all).
So basically, I pinned the events from the trailer to occur about 5 (maybe 6) episodes into the second half of the season.
At the very least, there will be no interruptions this time and we will get all 10 episodes in a row.
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Nope. No there's not.
Side note: Was Ensign Garrovick's first name (David) ever actually established in the original series?
Only reason I ask is because he's popped up in several novels since 'Obsession' and seems to have a different name every time!
Only reason I ask is because he's popped up in several novels since 'Obsession' and seems to have a different name every time!
9/10
I really liked this weeks episode. It was a fun nod to TOS. Quite frankly it was a very clever way to try and introduce the younger viewers they are trying to attract to some of the older Star Trek out there. Maybe it piques their interest. I won't list all of the things I liked but suffice it to say all of the TOS stuff was great and I hope we run into the native population again.
"We know we're not Star-Flight. But you don't need a real ship to believe in what it stands for."
I really liked this line. We often get the backwards primitive culture can't handle the truth trope in Trek. Yet these people handled it perfectly. They want to do the right thing. They aspire to the ideals of the Federation and Starfleet and recognize the good that it can do in the galaxy. It's kind of an homage to what I often think is Gene's original vision of the future. NuTrek so often focuses on the shady side of the Federation, Section 31, Badmirals, etc because it makes for a good story. Starfleet is supposed to be the good guys, fighting the good fight, defending those less fortunate, and not choosing to be morally bankrupt quasi-totalitarian thugs.
Really my only negative was how quickly Admiral Janeway jumped to conclusions based on what The Diviner told her. I feel like Janeway would want to investigate the matter more before going all "manhunty" against the thieves of the Protostar. If she's in Equinox mode those kids better watch out because one more torpedo outta do it.
I really liked this weeks episode. It was a fun nod to TOS. Quite frankly it was a very clever way to try and introduce the younger viewers they are trying to attract to some of the older Star Trek out there. Maybe it piques their interest. I won't list all of the things I liked but suffice it to say all of the TOS stuff was great and I hope we run into the native population again.
"We know we're not Star-Flight. But you don't need a real ship to believe in what it stands for."
I really liked this line. We often get the backwards primitive culture can't handle the truth trope in Trek. Yet these people handled it perfectly. They want to do the right thing. They aspire to the ideals of the Federation and Starfleet and recognize the good that it can do in the galaxy. It's kind of an homage to what I often think is Gene's original vision of the future. NuTrek so often focuses on the shady side of the Federation, Section 31, Badmirals, etc because it makes for a good story. Starfleet is supposed to be the good guys, fighting the good fight, defending those less fortunate, and not choosing to be morally bankrupt quasi-totalitarian thugs.
Really my only negative was how quickly Admiral Janeway jumped to conclusions based on what The Diviner told her. I feel like Janeway would want to investigate the matter more before going all "manhunty" against the thieves of the Protostar. If she's in Equinox mode those kids better watch out because one more torpedo outta do it.
^ Janeway is not dumb. I think she will very quickly figure out that the Diviner is not being 100% upfront.
He has no established first name.Side note: Was Ensign Garrovick's first name (David) ever actually established in the original series?
Only reason I ask is because he's popped up in several novels since 'Obsession' and seems to have a different name every time!
Yes, it looks like almost all the images from the trailer are from first 5 or so episodes - I would guess because the animation of the final episodes was still being finished and because it may also be too spoilerific.
The title card of the next episode suggests it will be the ice planet, where both the "Protogies" and the Dauntless crew go down in winter gear. So, it looks like they will meet Okona there. That the Dauntless is near suggests it followed either the Protostar itself or Okona (if he has a ship and has picked up Frex with it) to the ice planet.
Janeway doesn't know what the audience knows, and in her defence, the story of the "Protogies" is very implausible if no proof is produced. They have appropriated a starship that should have a Starfleet crew and captain on it, they don't communicate, they were involved in the destruction of CR-721 (as Janeway has correctly deduced, even if she hasn't met Frex yet) and there is an apparent witness/victim who was left behind as good as dead, who is accusing them of al kinds of things. It really doesn't look good from her perspective. Even without coffee though, I don't think she will go "full spread" or "keep firing" yet. Trying to disable the engines, possibly.9/10
I really liked this weeks episode. It was a fun nod to TOS. Quite frankly it was a very clever way to try and introduce the younger viewers they are trying to attract to some of the older Star Trek out there. Maybe it piques their interest. I won't list all of the things I liked but suffice it to say all of the TOS stuff was great and I hope we run into the native population again.
"We know we're not Star-Flight. But you don't need a real ship to believe in what it stands for."
I really liked this line. We often get the backwards primitive culture can't handle the truth trope in Trek. Yet these people handled it perfectly. They want to do the right thing. They aspire to the ideals of the Federation and Starfleet and recognize the good that it can do in the galaxy. It's kind of an homage to what I often think is Gene's original vision of the future. NuTrek so often focuses on the shady side of the Federation, Section 31, Badmirals, etc because it makes for a good story. Starfleet is supposed to be the good guys, fighting the good fight, defending those less fortunate, and not choosing to be morally bankrupt quasi-totalitarian thugs.
Really my only negative was how quickly Admiral Janeway jumped to conclusions based on what The Diviner told her. I feel like Janeway would want to investigate the matter more before going all "manhunty" against the thieves of the Protostar. If she's in Equinox mode those kids better watch out because one more torpedo outta do it.
As for introducing new viewers, this episode is not necessarily the best suited for that. For example, in the trekcore review of this episode ( https://blog.trekcore.com/2022/11/star-trek-prodigy-review-all-the-worlds-a-stage/ ) the writer mentioned that his kids, who usually are enthusiastic about Prodigy, didn't really engage with the "cargo culture" that was presented. This is not surprising: this episode is a love letter to TOS (and to its more campy aspects, at that) and it requires a lot of knowledge from TOS to understand the bulk of the references. Allthough Prodigy is family/children viewing, sometimes it seems to be aimed squarely at the biggest fans of the existing material, a bit like Lower Decks. And I think Kobayashi was probably more succesful in blending this with something that's interesting for new viewers, as well.
The episode itself has its heart in the right place but its logic jumps (like the ability to steer Constitution-era starships and to know Enterprise bridge crew based on some manuals and tales from Garrovick, and the unlikely reason holo-Janeway gives for needing their assistance) have to be taken for granted (and to some extent as comedic), allthough the effect on and interaction with our "Protogies" (a term I loan from someone who writes the "canon connection" threads on reddit) is delightful.
This episode will probably raise things like the IMDB-score and the appeal with more conservative Trek fans (who may dismiss Prodigy because it is for children, animated and/or because it's Kurtzman-era trek), but whether it will be succesful in enthusing younger viewers I'm not sure.
As an aside: the idea of Section 31, as a hidden part of Starfleet/the Federation, holds some appeal to me and is not incompatible with a hopeful "Trek". On the one hand, we have seen a lot of naivite among Starfleet officers when it comes to certain threats, as well as a long list of security breaches (taking over a Starfleet vessel or infiltrating Starfleet institutions seems to be quite easy for many species/organisations/groups/individuals). On the other hand, Starfleet Intelligence seems to be a lame duck most of the time.
That they have a hidden counterpart for Tal Shiar (as far as the external activities goes, not the repression apparatus) and the like is actually good, especially if the people running it are also the "evolved human beings" type that is supposed to be the norm in Starfleet. While now it's hard to not immediately think of all the possibilities for misuse of the type of power that the people running S31 would have, exactly in a society like the Federation is not out of the question that the people running it would genuinely attempt to do so in a conscious matter, "for the good of the Federation", even if they would take extraordinarily measures from time to time (but based on a "big picture" that other Starfleet officers may not be aware of).
I think so too, if Janeway receives feedback from Frex and he accurately reports things as he sees them (mentioning his belief that they are saboteurs, but also reporting truthfully wat they said as well as the results of his scans, and that they are seemingly very young) then she will likely already see the Diviner's statements in a different light. Zero did say the used the Protostar to escape a place where they were held prisoner, and it should be clear that the Diviner's daughter is with them and acting friendly with the rest of the group. They should also realise that the connection to the Protostar's logs caused the breakdown of CR-721. This should be enough for Janeway to start to have doubts.
If the Dauntless also pays a visit to the Endarprizians, things would start to dawn even more, I suppose.
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I think the diviner is not manipulating Janeway, he really is amnesiac, which makes him BETTER able to manipulate her.
I agree, the glimpses of the Diviner's mind seem to confirm his memories are garbled and nothing that he said is technically untrue. They did indeed "steal" Gwyn from him, they "stole" the ship (as he sees it), he really does have very strong feelings and images regarding Solum and Starfleet's involvement in whatever happened there, and Chakotay probably was taken prisoner (but not by the teens, obviously). He is being truthful, but everything he says is from his perspective and he hasn't come around to mentioning him running a mining/slave facility (probably not worth mentioning from his POV, as those other species are inferior and he was merely going about running his mission).
Memory-Alpha says
"While the character's first name was not established through dialogue, the sign to Garrovick's quarters read: "David Garrovick.""
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/David_Garrovick
Maybe? This is the best shot I could find. I don't have a blu-ray ripper so all I got is a streaming shot. Maybe someone with the actual blu-ray can get a clearer shot.
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actually Jankom didn't stop it from poisoning the place. what Jankom did was fix the shuttles long range transmitter, allowing it to act as a signal booster for their commbadges. which is why the trio could tell Zero and dal what the source of the illness was.
they actually didn't stop it from poisoning the place.. which is why the Enderprizians phasered the cave opening shut (to prevent the toxic materials from continuing to spread and keep any of the locals from entering the most contaminated area) and they left behind one of the Protostar's medical field kits of the sort Zero used, to make more antitoxin. if anything with the shuttle dropping directly into the toxic lake, it probably would get worse since it isn't just a small drip of contamination any more. but perhaps without that drip the 'eruptions' might happen less often.
a lot closer than when they started the series at least, though federation ships are known to roam quite a long way from their home borders when doing exploration missions.
pretty much agree. something happened to the shuttle that threw it too far from the Enterprise for Spock to narrow down the search, and eventually kirk had to just write it off as MIA.
definitely helps narrow down the locations. and romulans would be interesting, though i suspect not given that it would be yet more groups to have to explain to the younger viewers. but then, i didn't expect the Borg from last episode to show up either.
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