Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"

[Mudd]

The late Dave Bischoff once ghostwrote an Arthurian novel to be published as being by John Jakes.

Late in the process, Jakes expressed reservations about being credited for the book without acknowledging Dave as the primary author. Don't ask; i was never privy to the details.

In any event, I naively thought that Dave would be pleased and was surprised that he was upset by the news.

But Dave made his living solely as a writer. "Do you know how many more copies a novel by John Jakes will sell than one by me?"

Brands have their own value, and everything's a trade-off.

 

[Sci]

They had several extremely feral creatures who were completely intent on killing them.

Somehow I don't think anybody back at Star Fleet is going to have a problem with how things turned out.

Nor do I.

Yeah, the whole "should Pike and Co. respect Gorn culture by not valuing the lives of Gorn children" question is very much a hypothetical question. Federation values would hold that the children have a right to live unless lethal force is the only way to protect the Federation citizens the Gorn children were endangering -- which it was. I just would have preferred a line where someone says that it's regrettable that lethal force was necessary.

 

[dswynne1]

Are you thinking of IT'S ALIVE (which I still haven't seen) or a different seventies horror film about monstrous killer babies??

That's the one.

 

[dswynne1]

We also don't impregnate other sapient species with our own young, knowing the hosts will die carrying them to term. BIG difference.

But we all know that someone tried...

 

[Donald G]

That's the one.

Ah, sitting in the library devouring old encyclopedic science fiction and horror movie guides finally paid off.

 

[Akiraprise]

8/10
I am late to the episode review but this was a good episode. A couple of observations I had in no particular order of importance other than the first:

• Killing Hemmer off lowers it from a 9 to an 8 for me. So much potential squandered. It was a noble death but damn it I was not ready for him to be gone yet.
  
• The difference between a Constitution and Sombra class is so minuscule they may as well just called it a Constitution.
  
• Gorn breeding venom is fairly over powered. The Alien-esque chest bursting was cool. Why was the girl spared though?
  
• I do like the new Gorn revamp. Although they were depicted as pretty mindless even though dialogue suggested they were quite intelligent. They were also crazy strong for their size to be pulling bodies around.
  
• Captain Pike seemed almost blasé about all the blood and gruesome crew deaths they found in the beginning. The entire away team seemed this way really. There should have been more of a sense of urgency I thought. They assumed all of the intruders were gone way too quickly.
  
• Once they found some of the Peregrine crew dead I thought a prudent course of action would have been to send a couple crew back to the shuttles, maybe the inexperienced cadets, to try and make contact with the Enterprise for help. Get them back a bit quicker.
  
• It was thoughtful of TPTB to show some equality amongst the crew finally. Red, Yellow, and Blue shirts all died.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Trekyards...no thanks.

I'd rather have my tonsils extracted through my anus.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I'd rather have my tonsils extracted through my anus.

Why are you so harsh on fellow Trekkies?

 

[Maurice]

Why are you so harsh on fellow Trekkies?

Not harsh on them personally; harsh on their videos.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Not harsh on them personally; harsh on their videos.

Precisely. I’m sure they’re fine fellows, but their videos are unwatchable for me.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Stern, but fair.

Unlike many of the posters I’ve read here, Aliens is the only film from that franchise I’ve seen, so the homage/ripoff means little to me. Accordingly, this was a tense, behind-the-sofa outing for me. Hemmer’s exit was affecting and Uhura finding a home was emotionally satisfying.

One more thing about pastiche: not everyone is as familiar with genre productions as others. I saw “Balance of Terror” before I watched The Enemy Below and the beats to Taming of the Shrew were similarly familiar to me. I’ve found that the number of good stories is finite and so I simply enjoy the well-done variations on the themes.

Indeed- for me personally, the pastiche element make it a 10/10, but one tries to bear in mind that it'll have the opposite effect on some others, and there might be people who don't know what it is, which is why I go with "It was awesome, but I have to take points off even though I loved it."

 

[Crazyewok]

The Dominion War would've been over a lot quicker if the Gorn took a side. How did these super strong, super fast, invisible to sensors species not just take over the galaxy?

They probably pissed off one of the more aggressive alpha or beta quadrant powers and got exterminated.

The great gorn hunt would be a Klingon wet dream

 

[UssGlenn]

Having said that, I again completely agree that a situation in which the studio gets to profit off of these writers' labor without further compensation is deeply exploitative, and that at minimum it ought to be illegal for studios to use such original characters or major original elements from tie-in works without onscreen credit and royalty payments for each use.

While I agree in principle, it's important to remember that extra costs like that affect creative decisions. Superhero comics as we know them wouldn't exist because the authors would be told by the bean counters to minimize crossovers and the use of other writers characters. You'd end up with a bunch of redundant thinly veiled character copies. TV tropes dubbed TV those "Captain Ersatz". It still happens occasionally, due to rights issues. It's why there is an oddly large number of Black heros with electric powers. The MCU simply wouldn't exist, because the idea of massive crossovers would never have become a thing.

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Bruce said in an interview that he isn't done with Star Trek.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/t...rlds-bruce-horak-season-lt-hemmer-1235173020/

Hmmm... Hemmer's evil twin? ;-)

You know what would have been cool in a certain twist of fate that will have gotten fans talking. Spock should have been the one to get written out. Hammer stays. I mean as we have already said, Spock's life has already been explored. we dont need to know more about him but nope. they cant write him out. LOL.We need more Hemmer stories than Spock stories.

Agreed. I cannot comment on the Kelvin movies, haven't seen them.

However SNW is the standard generic love triangle that plays out as such, . they even did the fake pretend love thing in episode 7 which is so common in love triangles plots, Also this love triangle in SNW will blow up by season 2. (poor nurse chapel) she has been suffering for Spock for 10 plus years.

Now with Spock/Tpring in SNW, this show makes it sound like it is spock's fault from the events in amok time that Tpring chose Stonn.

Wait, what? I never got that impression. They just don't seem very compatible in their desires for a future life.

Now, ofc, Spock secretly likes Chapel and he knows it, so yeah, that's a problem. The dishonesty, I mean.

Tpring in SNW also seems to be written like a Dominatrix and is quite openly obsessed with sex for a vulcan. I swear if SNW was Game of Thrones, we would have gotten sex scenes of Spock and Tpring with Spock been whooped with a cane both of them in full nude mode.

Seriously?! They both seemed equally interested in having sex, maybe we're watching a different show. I certainly don't see parallels with GOT, which rarely depicted sex as something good and desired by both parties and is just a very mysogynistic show overall.

Also Spock has been trying to keep up with all of Trping baggage, like him researching human mating. He seems willing to make their engagement work but now she is bored so bring in Stonn.

I should mention that I haven't seen ep 8 yet, so maybe that's why I'm out of the loop.

SNW Tpring in SNW comes of as a confident woman, but somehow she cannot compromise enough with spock's star fleet career. She knows Spock's father was an ambassador and he managed to make his marriage with the human Amanda work.

I don't see why T'Pring should compromise any more than Spock, unless she wants to. Maybe holding up Amanda, who apparently wanted to do everything Sarek's way (including enduring his racist anti-human remarks) , as a model is not the best idea.

As I said, some of the issue is this show is they want to ''correct'' what is not necessary. This is the same thing they have pulled with Tpring. Another character who they needed to um ''updated'' but for Tpring all she wants is to mate with Spock 24/7 and does not think he needs a career. I though Vulcans are meant to have more restraint than human when it comes to the mating drive but not Tpring I guess.

Wow. Women, amirite?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Amanda, who apparently wanted to do everything Sarek's way (including enduring his racist anti-human remarks

Huh? When did Sarek act that way? I don't remember that.

I'd rather have my tonsils extracted through my anus.

"I did that to a guy once." - Sir Adiya

 

[jackoverfull]

Gorn breeding venom is fairly over powered. The Alien-esque chest bursting was cool. Why was the girl spared though?

good point. I originally thought that, just like her alien companion, and just like in the Aliens franchise, she was spared because she carried a chestburger, but eventually it was not explained…In fact she’s not really a character: if you remove her pretty much nothing changes.

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

That character had incredible amounts of untapped potential, they've barely scratched the surface with him. This show (like all live-action streaming Trek) suffers from human overload in the cast. As I sat down to watch this ep with family, the discussion was literally about how a big shortcoming of SNW is the lack of alien characters, but at least we have Hemmer...

If they were going to kill him, if nothing else they really needed to use him more in the lead-up. He shouldn't have been fully absent for three consecutive eps and here should have been a Hemmer-centric hour in there somewhere. (...)
If the motivation here was just to move on to Scotty, I'm going to be so disappointed in these writers.

Very well put.

Huh? When did Sarek act that way? I don't remember that.

I can't point to a specific scene, but seem to remember he displayed a lot of contempt for anything human (which - fair enough) and sometimes even stated it when Amanda was present. (Full disclosure, still loved him because the actor was great).

Sorry if I'm misremembering, but I do remember thinking: DUDE, why did you marry a human then?!

ETA: This thread is too long for me to get caught up on, so apologies if it's been suggested before, but I'm voting for Chock for Spock/ Chapel and Chock'ing for the triangle! (I almost wrote threesome, which... if it dissolves the triangle situation, I'm all for it! Or go for a thruple!)

 

[Belz...]

I can't point to a specific scene, but seem to remember he displayed a lot of contempt for anything human (which - fair enough) and sometimes even stated it when Amanda was present. (Full disclosure, still loved him because the actor was great).

I think you're refering to the scene in Star Trek V where we see Spock's birth and Sarek's reaction. Considering he married two humans, I don't think he was anti-human in any way.

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

I think you're refering to the scene in Star Trek V where we see Spock's birth and Sarek's reaction. Considering he married two humans, I don't think he was anti-human in any way.

I'll take your word for it. I mean, I never thought he hated his wife or offspring, just that he had some serious unresolved issues!

My larger point, however, was that Amanda apparently completely adapted to Sarek's ... lifestyle/ life and that is fine if it's what she wanted, but shouldn't be a blueprint for every woman in a heterosexual relationship.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Amanda isn't dumb. If she seriously thought Sarek was anti-human or racist in any way, she would never have married him. And, more to the point, he would never have married HER.