Alien is one of the best horror movies ever made and Aliens is one of the best action movies and both are excellent sci fi movies. Your view is pretty crazy.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"
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I would imagine that as a little kid you were quite good at killin' cookies & milk.
I know I was.
I was an apex predator.
Not Hydrox?
Not if I could help it.
Yes. And?
The appeal to popularity will not change my view. I've tried to find some appeal to the films and have not found it.
Good man. Low rent Oreos suck.
Oh, I certainly don't think it would work for today's TV. But it was a creative and effective design for the time. We can certainly appreciate the creative and quality nature of it for the time in which it was designed--55 years ago!
It could've worked then too. But doing it early ups the ante for all characters who don't have plot armor. And dang it was so effective that I'm alright with them doing it earlier. If they had waited, I'm sure that too would've been good.
It's consistent with TOS where Spock's inner rage has been released. We saw that in Amok Time where he threw his lunch out the door while he was in Ponn Farr along with smashing a monitor and holding a knife while asking Kirk for leave on Vulcan. Also, Kirk was able trigger Spock's anger in Paradise Syndrome to cure him. The rage is always in there. But it can be released.
That's my secret, Captain. I'm always angry.
I like how baby Gorns are feral, animalistic, moves on 4 limbs
But as they get order, they become bipedal, gain sentience & spaience, has some logic, becomes part of a society of space faring Gorn.
But as they get order, they become bipedal, gain sentience & spaience, has some logic, becomes part of a society of space faring Gorn.
If pastiches were illegal, the original Battlestar Galactica would never have been made since it was a pastiche of Star Wars -- and Star Wars would not have been made, since it was a pastiche of Flash Gordon.
Like it or not, pastiches are perfectly legal -- which is why we all got to enjoy Mark Lenard in "Balance of Terror" and the studio that owned The Enemy Below didn't sue Desliu.
A point of clarification: The canonical Una that appears in SNW is essentially a melding of a couple of different concepts from various Trek sources.
The idea that Una is from a species called Illyrian that practices genetic engineering comes from Fontana's 1989 novel Vulcan's Glory. The Illyrians that appeared in ENT S3 were not identified with the Vulcan's Glory Illyrians; identifying the two together is an SNW concept, as is the idea that the Illyrians are the subject of Federation/Human hostility because of the Eugenics Wars.
The idea that her name is Una comes from the 2016 50th anniversary novel trilogy Star Trek: Legacies, by Greg Cox, David Mack, and Dayton Ward & Kevin Dilmore. They named her after fellow Star Trek novelist Una McCormack.
To be very clear: I completely agree with you that in a more just world, the writers of media tie-in novels, comics, etc., would receive onscreen credit and royalties if the TV show uses original characters or major original story elements created for those novels. However, the contracts that U.S. media tie-in writers sign mean that they have no ownership whatsoever of the intellectual property elements they create for those tie-in works. The copyright on every ST novel and on every character and element that appears in an ST novel -- even an original character like Control -- is owned lock, stock, and barrel by Paramount; even if the novelists wanted to sue, they would have no legal case, because they signed away ownership of those characters and stories to Paramount before they even wrote the book.
Having said that, I again completely agree that a situation in which the studio gets to profit off of these writers' labor without further compensation is deeply exploitative, and that at minimum it ought to be illegal for studios to use such original characters or major original elements from tie-in works without onscreen credit and royalty payments for each use.
Because declaring that every sentient entity's life is infinitely precious and that every sentient entity has an inherent right to live, and that we will protect that right unless we can find no other way to defend ourselves from aggression, is a universalist value. The value Gorn culture places on the lives of Gorn children is actually not relevant to the question of how members of Federation culture should treat Gorn children until or unless the possibility of returning those children to Gorn territory comes into play.
Listen, every culture has to make some decisions about what values it holds to be universalist if it's going to function. No society can function purely on the basis of relativism. And by the same token, every culture has to temper their universalist declarations with some level of relativism, because no culture can -- or has the right -- to control other cultures.
The Federation Constitution already makes universalist value judgments when it declares that every sentient entity has certain rights that must be respected on Federation territory (TNG: "The Perfect Mate"). Those Gorn children were aboard a Federation starship -- that means Federation cultural values apply. That's not arrogance or chauvinism, because it is not an attempt to impose Federation values on the Gorn.
Had the Enterprise crew been able to detain those Gorn children and return them to Gorn territory, then the Gorn's cultural values take priority and the Gorn can treat those children as they want. But while they're aboard a Federation starship, Federation values apply. That's a fair balance between the Federation's value that every sentient life matters and the Gorn's hypothetical value that not every sentient life matters.