Sorry I always get confused with ‘The Menagerie’. Oh, and ‘Time Crystals’.
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It has been used a few other times, though aside from Una and Riker, it's only really been used in Disco. In The Vulcan Hello/Battle of the Binary Stars Georgiou refers to Michael as Number One a few times. Lorca refers to Saru as Number One a few times throughout Disco's first season, and Saru refers to Michael and later Tilly after she's promoted as Number One in Disco's third season.
Also, if I remember correctly Michael Burnham was *not* going to have a name for the whole of the first season of Discovery and was rumoured only to be known as ‘Number One’ until part way through the season/it’s finale.
No, she was always going to be named, though for some reason back in the spring of 2017 the internet seemed to believe she was "Lt. Rainsford" for completely insane reasons, basically there was a reference to a studio in Vancouver being put into use for "the untitled Lt. Rainsford show" and despite the fact Disco was filming in Toronto, everyone began speculating that this Lt. Rainsford show was in fact Disco. Then, the knowledge that the main character in Disco would be addressed as Number One launched the speculation that at the end of the season we would learn that Number One/Lt. Rainsford was the character Number One from The Cage.
All of which turned out to be false, obviously.
Or maybe this was *supposed* to be the case…. But it can never happen now as Burnham is in the 32nd century and became Captain of Discovery instead, perhaps as a result of the temporal cold war. This might have caused the current divergence in the timelines if one actually exists causing Strange New World’s to be a ‘soft temporal reboot’. Burnham *should* have served under Pike on the Enterprise as his ‘Number One’. Maybe they can do a temporal anomaly episode where Una is replaced by Burnham for one episode and nobody notices but Hemmer…. Erm, oh yeah… Hemmer…
..no?
Definitely no.
I don’t know anything about American politics.
So, the January 6th, 2021 Insurrection and seige of the U.S. Capitol - from which video footage was sourced in Pike's presentation - wasn't covered by the news media in your country?
If you don't have the knowledge-base necessary to recognize political contexts, how can you recognize when episodes of Star Trek utilize and comment upon those political contexts? And how can you expect that your previous assertion that Star Trek has heretofore avoided politics and political commentary to represent an accurate state of affairs?
I watch Star Trek to escape this kind of news but I am familiar with current affairs, I do not live under a rock. I never made this connection with the current political upheaval in America that you mention though. So was Star Trek saying that the riots at Capitol Hill on 6th January 2021 were one of the catalysts that leads up to World War 3 in the Star Trek universe? How does Star Trek know? This surely can not be canon?
How does Star Trek know? This surely can not be canon?
I'm sorry...What?
How does Star Trek "know" anything about the future? Answer is, it doesn't. These are stories.
Yes, it's canon. What would prevent it from being canon, since it's in a Star Trek episode?
Well they shouldn’t be using *current* real life events/controversial footage as part of a fantasy storyline about a fictional World War 3 as it could be inflammatory to some people if there are real life political connections, connotations or insinuations. Especially if there are ongoing legal proceedings or complications about the events being depicted… it would then become a form of propaganda which can lead to bias and misrepresentation? If Star Trek presents history I would hope that they would do so in an accurate, ‘canon’ and neutral way, especially if it is current history which is leading up to events that are not yet written in *real* history. Of course it is different if aliens or time travellers have intervened in Star Trek’s fictional world. No fictional series or even general news provider should twist historical facts or inflame any current politically sensitive situations. Fictional Star Trek World War 3 and a potential *real* World War 3 should be a crossover that *never* happens. Star Trek probably should stay in the 23rd century and beyond?
Did you not watch TOS?Well they shouldn’t be using *current* real life events/controversial footage as part of a fantasy storyline about a fictional World War 3 as it could be inflammatory to some people if there are real life political connections, connotations or insinuations. Especially if there are ongoing legal proceedings or complications about the events being depicted… it would then become a form of propaganda which can lead to bias and misrepresentation? If Star Trek presents history I would hope that they would do so in an accurate, ‘canon’ and neutral way, especially if it is current history which is leading up to events that are not yet written in *real* history. Of course it is different if aliens or time travellers have intervened in Star Trek’s fictional world. No fictional series or even general news provider should twist historical facts or inflame any current politically sensitive situations. Fictional Star Trek World War 3 and a potential *real* World War 3 should be a crossover that *never* happens. Star Trek probably should stay in the 23rd century and beyond?
Sure, but it was history when I first watched it in the 90’s… I guess? And also make believe…
By that measure, rest assured that it will be "history" by the time someone watches SNW in the 2050's.Sure, but it was history when I first watched it in the 90’s… I guess? And also make believe…
…and make believe.
Same rules apply.Sure, but it was history when I first watched it in the 90’s… I guess? And also make believe…
You may watch Star Trek to escape news and politics. Many Star Trek writers, on the other hand, have long used their stories, much like Rod Serling in The Twilight Zone before them, to examine the social, moral, and political issues of the day, both subtly and, more often, unsubtly, with a science fictional or fantasy gloss to sneak around censorship (whether formal or informal) and cultural taboos.I watch Star Trek to escape this kind of news but I am familiar with current affairs, I do not live under a rock. I never made this connection with the current political upheaval in America that you mention though. So was Star Trek saying that the riots at Capitol Hill on 6th January 2021 were one of the catalysts that leads up to World War 3 in the Star Trek universe? How does Star Trek know? This surely can not be canon?
As to your other questions quoted above. Yes. And I suspect Pike's diplomatic "all sides thought they were doing the right thing"will be perceived as more kind than the eventual historical assessment some decades hence.
They've been doing that since TOS. You're a bit late here.
Well at least they have always been subtle about it.
As long as they are presenting positive, optimistic, and moral social commentaries with values which are progressive I don’t mind if it goes over my head a little bit as long as the story is good. If they want to get political though I prefer it when they do this with fictional Klingons or Romulans etc rather than real life examples of politics which might be considered *too* controversial. I might not be able to tell you much about American politics but I know all about the make believe politics which Star Trek aliens have.
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