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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"

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Additionally, even if it was love...how will they explain Leia Kemoni who Spock was very attracted too and by canon should even have gotten more fleshed out back story with Spock compared to Chapel?
Probably in a story involving a love triangle, to the annoyance of some.
 
Remorse on having to kill a species that just killed two crewman in cold blood and infected a third with eggs. That would have been welcome for you.

Absolutely.

How many people did the Horta kill? How about the Salt Vampire?

Star Trek can have monsters, and our heroes can kill those monsters if they need to... but IMO Star Trek is at its best when there is some measure of reflection or remorse or an attempt at understanding along the way.

Perhaps TPTB are playing a longer game and we'll get that later... but as far as this episode is concerned the Gorn may as well have been xenomorphs or demidogs or raptors. They were disposable monsters to be mowed down indiscriminately. No thought need be given to the loss of their lives.

In his very second appearance, "Where No Man Has Gone Before," Spock urged Kirk to kill Gary Mitchell long before Mitchell had become violent or demonstrated violent intent.

Even then he expressed remorse by the end.

I'm not suggesting that our heroes shouldn't kill when they need to- or even necessarily that it was wrong in this instance- but it would have been nice for ONE of these Starfleet officers to say, "Is there no alternative to killing them?"

Even if the answer to that question was "No."
 
I kind of see this happening, if they keep on breaking cannon but in my theory spock is the one who is mind is wiped but will that even be believable because spock is a telepath and also the mind wipe story has been so over done in fiction that I have no doubt it will rank as worst trek story ever.

not to mention this will be like zarabeth 2.0 the only difference is that zarabeth and spock lived in different times. so my only theory left is that, if they do have an affair. it was not love on real love on spock's part. this will break chapel heart and will make her explore her bi sexual and the road will also lead to Roger Korby

One thing I noticed in SNW about the Spock and Chapel relationship is that, if Chapel were to stop coming on to him or overstep boundaries. Spock won't respond or care. What is going on here is that chapel is falling in love with him and spock is noticing, however that is not the same as two people falling in love equally.

also lets not forget roger korby, chapel did love him so it could also mean maybe she went with korby because her affair with spock made her realise what real love was but she still kept the crush.

Additionally, even if it was love...how will they explain Leia Kemoni who Spock was very attracted too and by canon should even have gotten more fleshed out back story with Spock compared to Chapel?
Roger Korby has already been all but confirmed on twitter for the future. As for Leila Kalomi, I'm almost positive that if they remembered Korby then they have plans for her too.
 
Depending on how you view the canonicity of the official Star Trek website, it outright says there that Spock did marry: Spock | Star Trek -- "He did eventually marry in a ceremony attended by Lt. Jean-Luc Picard."

Personally I think the most likely answer is that Spock did indeed marry 90+ year old Chapel or the Romulan Commander from the Enterprise Incident.

In your fanfiction he did. In star trek extended canon that relates to that scene from TNG. it was revealed to be Saavik.

But like I said, I rather buy a more single Spock as that fits well with the events of star trek 2009, Into Darkness and Beyond.

Maybe Sarak had a third son?

Also in TOS it wont be Chapel because she is by then a different person and spock showed zero interest. if we go by TOS, of all the women, I would have to give Uhura the edge over Chapel because the Kelvinverse movies showed a romance could work there and last unlike chapel or tpring that we know wont last.

The writers of that movie got hints from TOS for the kelvin films even if it was bread crumb hints because uhura was limited as a black women in the 60s to have any romance or love interest in any of the major white males.

Spock also had mutual flirting moments with Uhura that were very charming in a more mature way than Chapel crush that still very very high school, and remember this was them at a more older age in life compared to SNW that writes them as teens and horny young adults case in point Tpring always wanting to have sex and chapel wanting spock to kiss her so badly.

Geez, no wonder some people seem bored already with the spock/tpring/chapel triangle. it is high school stuff.
 
I don't thank La'an knew that Hemmer was infected. I think she surmised based on his state and what he was saying and preparing to do. A logical leap, so to speak.

Enterprise already had the Gorn move far faster then what was shown in TOS's Arena so I assume they are working with the physicality more from that than from TOS.
Oh, the TOS Gorn fight scene was set in slow motion. Then we can also think that Kirk had physically more powerful than normal human being. Oh NO! Kirk was actually a super human that he didn't realized / take a secret on it?
 
Very good ep, though I would have been happier without so many overt "references" to the movie Aliens. We get it, guys. Aliens and Newt and Hudson, oh my! ;) That's a minor nitpick, I enjoyed it a lot.

Special shout out/thank you to the asswipe on YouTube who needlessly spoiled the ending of this episode for me. You're the best.
 
So bored we keep talking about it. So, no, not high school stuff
. Pretty standard romance stuff.

standard stuff is most high school that is why all those ya romance novel used to sell.

we should also be thankful this is star trek and not game of thrones because tpring is so horny that had this been game of thrones she will have invited chapel to share spock's bed wit them to explore the ''human sexuality''

SNW can brag about how much progress it made to the dated 60s but one thing is clear in season 1. the main goal for tpring and chapel is to get spock into their individual bed.
 
Absolutely.

How many people did the Horta kill? How about the Salt Vampire?

Star Trek can have monsters, and our heroes can kill those monsters if they need to... but IMO Star Trek is at its best when there is some measure of reflection or remorse or an attempt at understanding along the way.

Perhaps TPTB are playing a longer game and we'll get that later... but as far as this episode is concerned the Gorn may as well have been xenomorphs or demidogs or raptors. They were disposable monsters to be mowed down indiscriminately. No thought need be given to the loss of their lives.



Even then he expressed remorse by the end.

I'm not suggesting that our heroes shouldn't kill when they need to- or even necessarily that it was wrong in this instance- but it would have been nice for ONE of these Starfleet officers to say, "Is there no alternative to killing them?"

Even if the answer to that question was "No."
Christ.
 
I'm behind on Strange New Worlds but jumped ahead to see this Gorn episode. I liked the episode. I like what they are doing with Cadet Uhura. Wasn't expecting Hemmer's story to go that way, but sort of got a feeling that La'an's would as the episode progressed. I think this opens the door to change up the cast more and I like that.

Like others, I also saw the Alien/Predator influence, though I didn't care much for the redesign, and it's getting a little tough to stick to the Gorn first contact happening in TOS with them literally encountering them in SNW. Granted, they were feral children and not official representatives of the Hegemony, but still. The Gorn redesign sort of reminded me of Xindi insectoids, with a bit of the Vs from the V remake series.

I like the upthread theory of the Gorn taking on different characteristics of their hosts because that might help me grasp how such a feral species could create an interstellar power. That there are different subspecies of Gorn out there. That also could get SNW to get around the pesky first contact issue by allowing them to encounter different varieties of Gorn than the ones that Kirk did.

Well, Gorn society can also work like the Dominion. This Gorn that we have encounter may just a biological weapon that invented and developed by the prime Gorn species. They may just the genetic engineering Gorn that made specially for combat. While the real Gorn / prime Gorn is a smart species that capable of making a spaceship and conduct a space travel. But they are slow and unsuited for combat.
 
standard stuff is most high school that is why all those ya romance novel used to sell.
Which is why I deal with it in adults?
on a bigger topic, how do fans even feel about the spock been so sexy. kurtzman thinks it is justified.
Lol. Spock has been a sex symbol since the 70s. Nimoy recounts his experience with fan art of Spock in chains. This is not new.
 
Spock:
I speak from pure logic: if i let go of a hammer on a planet that has positive gravity, I need not see it fall to know that it has.
Or maybe...

Spock should have been the one to get written out. Hammer stays.

Spock and Hammer NOT friendship is a missed opportunity.

In episode 2 it felt as if they could be close friends since Spkck knew a lot about Hammer.

Spock loosing Hammer when they have not spoken since the second episode.

Heck even Hammer been killed off is far more bad writing and hollow than Kelvin Pike getting killed off.

because Hammer is now the Airiam of Discovery.

Funny enough with Hammer's death, some may have preferred Ortega.

...you mean this guy?
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Which is why I deal with it in adults?

Lol. Spock has been a sex symbol since the 70s. Nimoy recounts his experience with fan art of Spock in chains. This is not new.
what trek show had long running love triangles? I cant remember because trek did really do that. the only love triangles I remember was star trek 2009 and TNG season 7 and i remember them because unlike what we have in snw they were not the status quo of what to expect in a love triangle.

in trek 2009, there was supposed to be a love triangle between kirk/spock/uhura but kirk never stood a chance in the first place and he backed off when he learned he never did.

in TNG they were building up one with Riker/Worf/Deena but Riker acted very mature about it. he even gave Worf his blessing to date Deena.

SNW love triangle is kind of very teeny booper and expected compared to those two examples.
 
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