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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"

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Timofnine said:
I think that Chapel and Spock will *really* hit it off and have a full on affair, but Spock will mind wipe her using an ancient Vulcan memory suppression technique to make her stop loving him and suppress her emotions.. also hiding the incident from T’Pring, this will explain Chapel’s future interactions with Spock. It will be kind of like the scene in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country where Spock forces himself in to Valeris’s mind to extract information. Spock does not realise though that T’Pring is also cheating on him with Stonn and planning his death… so maybe he would have been better off with Chapel? Chapel could have been the love of his life but circumstance and tradition probably stopped him from developing this true love… he fought against it instead as he wanted to follow tradition and logic. This is *really* tragic if you think about it. I really want to ship Spock and Chapel now but I know it can never work out as the future is written… :wah:
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Oh I dunno. We know from TNG "Sarek" that a young Jean-Luc Picard attended the wedding of Sarek's son, but we don't know with certainty if that son was Spock or who he married.

Maybe after his resurrection, Spock reconnected with Christine and they married in the 2320s. She would be in her 90s by then, but that's not impossible given Jean-Luc's age in PIC.
 
Nerys Myk said:
What the hell on you on about??????
Weren't you the one complaining about Gooding's shorthair and "
Sci said:
Yes, Spock is more willing to share personal stuff with Christine in 2259 than he is with Jim later in life. This is not a continuity error; it is called "characterization."



In what sense was it ever implied that Spock knew Nyota better than he ever knew Christine?



My dearest and closet friend ten years ago was a woman so close I considered her to be like a sister. For reasons that I do not wish to go into, we are completely estranged now and I have blocked her on all social media.

Relationships can change over time. That's not a continuity error.



That is not the definition of a Mary Sue.



I don't at all disagree with you that there is subconscious racism in fandom, but I for one love both Michael and SNW Christine and see no continuity issue with either of them.
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No it is a continuity error and a major one because in TOS. Spock does not really know Chapel. In fact to be honest of all the women in TOS Chapel, Rand, Uhura. who Spock only had about 10% interaction with. Uhura was the one he seem to know the most or had a good working friendly comfortable relationship with.

There is a scene in TOS when Uhura was trying to fix something and Spock tells uhura, something of...him trusting her because she know she is the best in doing things and then there was the charlie x episode where uhura sings, and spock plays his lyre. For a Vulcan as reclusive as Spock, in a limited 60s era where there was still issue with black and white people been ''close'' on screen. spock and uhura seem very friendly, whereas, he found most of Chapel behaviour weird in TOS sometimes even aloof. this is why the other characters felt bad for Chapel that she had a crush on him and he could care less. Mccoy for one.

Estranged is difference from not knowing someone at all. Most of Spock story in TOS was becoming that one true friend of Kirk and the first, Spock ever knew in that manner of relationship.

Also if this was an estranged issue, it would have come up at some point since chapel is there everyday unlike Michael who became lost in time with no reason to be brought up.

Chapel is a mary sue and even one of a worse kind because the worst mary sues also have fans make up all kind of excuses to defend the inconsistencies and we have seen it with chapel, a character that some fans have said, should have just been a new character even many star trek fans that run their own web site like ex astris scientia.
 
valden said:
Chapel is a mary sue and even one of a worse kind because the worst mary sues also have fans make up all kind of excuses to defend the inconsistencies and we have seen it with chapel, a character that some fans have said, should have just been a new character even many star trek fans that run their own web site like ex astris scientia.
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That's not what a Mary Sue is. But thanks for playing.
 
valden said:
You made the rules. if you dont like kelvinverse because it did not feel close to canon or did not feel like canon, you cannot now say SNW should stay away from canon because SNW is factually a prime canon prequel. You should factually hold SNW in a higher responsibility in sticking to canon.

Hypocrisy always tend to show you are on the wrong side of the argument.
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Ha! :guffaw:

The Kelvin verse is one of the best Treks out there to date.

Not my rules, my friend. I love Kelvin Trek and am generally OK with SNW.
 
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Sci said:
I do agree that the chemistry between Ethan Peck and Jess Bush is way more intense than between Leonard Nimoy and Majet Barrett. That isn't the kind of onscreen chemistry the writers should just disregard or throw away -- you've gotta do something with it. Going full Spock/Chapel would be an interesting take, and would give both characters an arc to distinguish themselves from their TOS versions.
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The chemistry between them is raw. Damn, I feel it and want it from her in a "find some one who looks at you the way Chapel looks at Spock" kind of way. They're doing great and it's hard to see how this becomes what we see in TOS which felt more like she had a hidden crush and she was putting out weak signals.

Not to begrudge Nimoy or Barret screen chemistry was different back then and they were directed a certain way by Roddenberry.

But what SNW is doing here with them? Blur the canon lines.
 
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Trekker4747 said:
The chemistry between them is raw. Damn, I feel it and want it from her in a "find some one who looks at you the way Chapel looks at Spock" kind of way. They're doing great and it's hard to see how this becomes what we see in TOS which felt more like she had a hidden crush and she was putting out weak signals.

Not to begrudge Nimoy or Barret screen chemistry was different back then and they were directed a certain way by Roddenberry.

But what SNW is doing hete with them? Blur the canon lines.
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Honestly I'm kind of willing to throw canon out the window for those two.
 
Sci said:
Oh I dunno. We know from TNG "Sarek" that a young Jean-Luc Picard attended the wedding of Sarek's son, but we don't know with certainty if that son was Spock or who he married
Maybe after his resurrection, Spock reconnected with Christine and they married in the 2320s. She would be in her 90s by then, but that's not impossible given Jean-Luc's age in PIC.
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I think this has been discussed before and yeah, we dont know whose son it was meant to be, sometimes I will say it is Spock but when I watch Spock in TNG and his conversation with Data, I am forced to question if spock was the married son, sarek was talking about because Spock told data he has had no regrets of how he lived his life and how he never cared for emotions and by the Kelvin films Spock seem to have some regrets. TOS Spock likely died a single man. if you like the books then your answer is Savik as his wife. Additionally Chapel never appeared again after the motion picture. So no, I dont think they ever connected again from SNW.
 
valden said:
I think this has been discussed before and yeah, we dont know whose son it was meant to be,
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Pretty sure it was Sarek's son.
valden said:
Additionally Chapel never appeared again after the motion picture. So no, I dont think they ever connected again from SNW.
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Majel appears in Voyage Home. as Commander Chapel
And you think this why? It disturbs your fanon?
 
valden said:
I think this has been discussed before and yeah, we dont know whose son it was meant to be, sometimes I will say it is Spock but when I watch Spock in TNG and his conversation with Data, I am forced to question if spock was the married son, sarek was talking about because Spock told data he has had no regrets of how he lived his life and how he never cared for emotions and by the Kelvin films Spock seem to have some regrets. TOS Spock likely died a single man. if you like the books then your answer is Savik as his wife. Additionally Chapel never appeared again after the motion picture. So no, I dont think they ever connected again from SNW.
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Depending on how you view the canonicity of the official Star Trek website, it outright says there that Spock did marry: Spock | Star Trek -- "He did eventually marry in a ceremony attended by Lt. Jean-Luc Picard."

Personally I think the most likely answer is that Spock did indeed marry 90+ year old Chapel or the Romulan Commander from the Enterprise Incident.
 
Timofnine said:
I think that Chapel and Spock will *really* hit it off and have a full on affair, but Spock will mind wipe her using an ancient Vulcan memory suppression technique to make her stop loving him and suppress her emotions.. also hiding the incident from T’Pring, this will explain Chapel’s future interactions with Spock. It will be kind of like the scene in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country where Spock forces himself in to Valeris’s mind to extract information. Spock does not realise though that T’Pring is also cheating on him with Stonn and planning his death… so maybe he would have been better off with Chapel? Chapel could have been the love of his life but circumstance and tradition probably stopped him from developing this true love… he fought against it instead as he wanted to follow tradition and logic. This is *really* tragic if you think about it. I really want to ship Spock and Chapel now but I know it can never work out as the future is written… :wah:
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I kind of see this happening, if they keep on breaking cannon but in my theory spock is the one whose mind is wiped but will that even be believable because spock is a telepath and also the mind wipe story has been so over done in fiction that I have no doubt it will rank as worst trek story ever.

not to mention this will be like zarabeth 2.0 the only difference is that zarabeth and spock lived in different times. so my only theory left is that, if they do have an affair. it was not real love on spock's part. this will break chapel heart and will make her explore her bi sexual and the road will also lead to Roger Korby

One thing I noticed in SNW about the Spock and Chapel relationship is that, if Chapel were to stop coming on to him or overstep boundaries. Spock won't respond or care. What is going on here is that chapel is falling in love with him and spock is noticing,

also lets not forget roger korby, chapel did love him so it could also mean maybe she went with korby because her affair with spock made her realise what real love was but she still kept the crush.

Additionally, even if it was love...how will they explain Leia Kemoni who Spock was very attracted too and by canon should even have gotten more fleshed out back story with Spock compared to Chapel?

if not for um...spores. he may have made things work with Leia. TOS Chapel never had a chance.
 
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