Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"

[Ssosmcin]

Honestly, if someone wants to be called they/them, no matter how it goes against my being used to it, it literally does not harm me to do so. And it shows that I actually care about how they feel.

Look, I hate quoting Star Trek, it's impossibly geeky sometimes, especially when the film I'm thinking of is far from my favorite. But two lines have been with me for some time:

"If there is to be a Brave New World, our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it."

"People can be very frightened of change."

I'm a straight white middle class American male. I've had it pretty good my whole life. The worst I got was being judged because of my weight when I was heavy. So I think I can make a few changes and learn some new word usages. Especially if it doesn't hurt a soul and actually helps people feel comfortable, respected or just simply heard.

 

[Jedi Marso]

If you don't want to be a bigot you'll listen to the individual that you're talking to and use the pronouns that they state are their pronouns.

Quoting Dave Chapelle is also just lame.

Sorry, but not agreeing with your point of view doesn't make someone a bigot, a mysoginist, or any other name call.

And what's wrong with Dave?

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I'm a straight white middle class American male. I've had it pretty good my whole life. The worst I got was being judged because of my weight when I was heavy. So I think I can make a few changes and learn some new word usages. Especially if it doesn't hurt a soul and actually helps people feel comfortable, respected or just simply heard.

Don't worry half the world is also judging you for being American

 

[Nerys Myk]

Don't worry half the world is also judging you for being American

Only half?

 

[Ssosmcin]

Only half?

I'm used to it!

 

[jackoverfull]

Honestly, if someone wants to be called they/them, no matter how it goes against my being used to it, it literally does not harm me to do so. And it shows that I actually care about how they feel.

pretty much how I feel, and not necessarily only about this topic: if something doesn’t hurt me in the slightest and matter a great deal to others why should I try to deny it to them?

 

[TRON JA307020]

Well back to the episode itself. I gave it an 8. It really had that TOS vibe with the pirates, the wheel, the bad Pike pirate impersonation. Sci fi that is serious all the time can get boring and bog a person down . No one wants to be melancholy all the time.

 

[Sci]

Sorry. If you (et al) want to be he/him or she/her or he/she, or him/her, I will refer to you as such. But I will not call any person a "they/them". Those two words are plural, not singular. You (et al) are one person, not a group.

To do so is to deny an oppressed community the right to determine the appropriate terminology for themselves. It seems to me that that would be the equivalent of deciding to keep referring to the American descendants of enslaved Africans as "Negroes" rather than using "black" or "African-American:" It completely disrespects a marginalized community's agency and identity.

Edited to add: The Oxford English Dictionary reports that the use of the word "they" for singular antecedents dates back to at least the year 1375. The use of "they" for a singular antecedent is nothing new. End edit.

Sorry, but not agreeing with your point of view doesn't make someone a bigot, a mysoginist, or any other name call.

It does if you're denying the legitimacy of an oppressed community's identity.

And what's wrong with Dave?

He's an anti-trans bigot.

 

[cooleddie74]

I judge me as an American but mostly because I'm a complete bastard.

 

[Photoman15]

And you are speaking the language of bigotry and ignorance. We have trans members who DO care. Trolling warning given.

Isn't trolling if I started a conversation to "bait" someone into an argumentative dialog? How is stating my (and a lot of peoples) opinion trolling?

 

[fireproof78]

I'm a straight white middle class American male. I've had it pretty good my whole life. The worst I got was being judged because of my weight when I was heavy. So I think I can make a few changes and learn some new word usages. Especially if it doesn't hurt a soul and actually helps people feel comfortable, respected or just simply heard.

This is my view. Even if the pronouns are used make zero sense to me I feel no need to argue it.

To quote Star Trek "In our century we've learned not to fear words."

No one wants to be melancholy all the time.

Who is?

 

[Tuskin38]

Isn't trolling if I started a conversation to "bait" someone into an argumentative dialog? How is stating my (and a lot of peoples) opinion trolling?

Having a bigoted opinion is trolling.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Having a bigoted opinion is trolling.

No trolling is different. A bigot or a bigoted opinion is just a bigot or bigoted opinion. Lol

 

[therichieboy]

I wonder how much of the pronoun debate is down to limitations in the English language. I speak 2 other languages (badly), both of which have gender baked in. My problem is I'm not good enough at either of them to have the pronoun debate!

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm so glad I'm not a mod anymore. T'Bonz has said she's not okay with either bigotry or trolling, whether someone wants to consider them two different things or not.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I'm so glad I'm not a mod anymore. T'Bonz has said she's not okay with either bigotry or trolling, whether you want to consider it something different or not.

I wish we can get back to talking about the show. This ep was chock full of stuff. I do hope they back off on the tpring stuff a bit now. Spock is in space in a 5 year mission. Time to get to work Spock.

 

[fireproof78]

I wish we can get back j to talking about the show. This ep was chock full of stuff. I do hope they back off on the tpring stuff a bit now. Spock is in space in a 5 year mission. Time to get to work Spock.

Spock's more interesting for it. I am usually opposed to relationship stuff with characters, but at least T'Pring and Spock come across as people rather than how Amok Time presented it. I like the episode, it felt very stiff. Now, there is meat and history behind this relationship.

I don't necessarily welcome more of it, but they are at least doing a reasonable job with it that I won't object either.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Spock's more interesting for it. I am usually opposed to relationship stuff with characters, but at least T'Pring and Spock come across as people rather than how Amok Time presented it. I like the episode, it felt very stiff. Now, there is meat and history behind this relationship.

I don't necessarily welcome more of it, but they are at least doing a reasonable job with it that I won't object either.

Yeah. I think it's fine now but too much of a good thing can wreck it. I want to see more Ortegas and Hemmer now.

 

[Lord Garth]

I like goofy Pike. It just shows how much the actor brings to the character.

SNW Pike, to me, is a mixture of Pike from "The Cage" (the original version of the character), Dad Pike from the Kelvin Films, and the second season of Disco making Pike the Anti-Lorca, which means being above board and not such a hard-ass. And there's what Anson Mount himself has brought.

That's all added up to make a pretty interesting Captain. Plus him knowing what his fate is. So since he knows he won't meet his end in the Pirate Ship, he can have some fun with it.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah. I think it's fine now but too much of a good thing can wreck it. I want to see more Ortegas and Hemmer now.

Wreck what? Too much character development?

I certainly wasn't expecting it but I'm certainly not expecting it to be wrecked. I thought Hemmer would be way more interesting but Spock has definitely capture my interest, along with Pike and La'an.