I personally do not like that stun is not the default setting for all phasers and that stunning is a deliberate choice rather than the immediate response.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"
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I understood your argument. I argue that other complicating factors, including Vulcan's relative lack of space colonies and its status as a subdivision of a larger interstellar entity, and the size of the UFP and its rate of expansion over a century, outweigh the element you talked about and make the idea of Vulcan having a criminal rehabilitation center located on the edge of UFP space implausible.
Okay? I don't follow what the point of bringing up Kirk was then. T'Pring was clearly okay with someone dying to avoid being married to Spock.
If Spock and TPring can end there engagement with a finger swipe.. Why go all murdery in Amok time.?
She could have told him what's up, and only thing would be Spock saying No.. Which I don't think would happen.. And Spock going to a Vulcan brothel for a happy ending.. ..
She could have told him what's up, and only thing would be Spock saying No.. Which I don't think would happen.. And Spock going to a Vulcan brothel for a happy ending.. ..
If it's fine print that's not spelled out in regards to life and death matters, Kirk's "choice" is void. I completely predict the Federation Supreme Court will rip the validity of that "choice" apart.
In universe they are supposed to, the way we just accept that people in-universe will recognize Peck as Nimoy's Spock, Spock Prime recognized Kelvin Scotty and Kelvin Kirk as genetical duplicates of his Scotty and Kirk, etc.I'm not, they looked nothing like each other
INTERIM PIRATE LEADER: This gig is better than the last one. My boss then was a big slug.
LA'AN: Scans show the cargo containers hold bootleg copies of this show. Audio and visual sync is off by 1.4 seconds. And no menu screens.
PIKE: No menu screens? Damn video piracy. FIRE PHASERS!
ORTEGAS(?): Ops to Security! Constable! We're pinned down by Gul Dukat and his party crashers! We could use some help up here!
SPOCK: Captain Pike uses (INAUDIBLE) in his hair pomade. Pass it on...
Sybok's presented here in SNW as having already rejected logic. It might have been more interesting to do a storyline where he's a fully logical Vulcan, and whatever traumatic events happen in Strange New Worlds break him and turn him into the emotional religious fanatic we see in the movie. Oh well...
The rules are different once you're actually in Pon Farr, maybe?
Perhaps Sybok has a massive plan to get revenge on Sarek, and he eventually manages to turn T'Pring so that in 8ish years it will culminate in the events of "Amok Time", where Spock would either die or be shunned in the UFP for committing murder. We don't know how Sarek treated Sybok, but given he was estranged from Spock for decades for petty and selfish reasons, I can't imagine he was a great father with Sybok. I can easily see Sarek's rejection of Sybok for having been "not Vulcan enough" and then going and having a half-human son...
Those are just exaggerations, omissions, errors, and choices!TOS S1 - "The Menagerie" (Spock lied...)
TOS S2 - "Journey To Babel" (Sarek lied - both to Kirk when asked about his whereabouts when the Tellerite Ambassador was murdered -- he was NOT 'in meditation' as he said, he was passed out on the Observation Deck; and he had also been lying to his Wife Amanda abiout the seriousness of his condition.)
TOS S3 - "The Enterprise Incident" (Spock lies tpo the Romulan Commander many times...)
So yeah, the belief perpetuated by that old Vulcan saying that says: "Vulcans cannot lie", is itself a lie.
T'PRING: I am confused, Stonn. He said goodbye to me, but swiped right with his fingers. How would you swipe?
XAVERIUS: Stonn my friend, I can hear the frustration in your breathing. You can't hide behind that vacuous gaze forever, you know. You're not the first fellow to fall for another man's wife. And you may find having said wife is not so pleasing a thing as wanting.
T'Pring literally waited until Spock got into pon farr to tell him about Stonn, rather than tell him long ago and give him time to find a new girlfriend. It's either completely thoughtless or premeditated to punish Spock.If Spock and TPring can end there engagement with a finger swipe.. Why go all murdery in Amok time.?
She could have told him what's up, and only thing would be Spock saying No.. Which I don't think would happen.. And Spock going to a Vulcan brothel for a happy ending.. ..
Too far along in the timeline. Sybok was a student when he rebelled and he's older than Spock.
If Spock and TPring can end there engagement with a finger swipe.. Why go all murdery in Amok time.?
She could have told him what's up, and only thing would be Spock saying No.. Which I don't think would happen.. And Spock going to a Vulcan brothel for a happy ending.. ..
There might be another formal ceremony yet to come. Right now they are engaged but in Amok Time she's more than a fiancee, less than a wife. After this other unnamed ceremony no more backing out with finger swipes
Because women aren't that simple. And men are.
SPOCK: There was a young student, ...exceptionally gifted, ...possessing ...great intelligence. It was assumed that one day he would take his place amongst the great scholars of Vulcan. But he was a revolutionary.
KIRK: What do you mean?
SPOCK: The knowledge and experience he sought were forbidden by Vulcan belief.
KIRK: Forbidden?
SPOCK: He rejected his logical upbringing. He embraced the animal passions of our ancestors.
KIRK: Why?
SPOCK: He believed that the key to self-knowledge was emotion, ...not logic.
McCOY: Imagine that. A passionate Vulcan.
SPOCK: When he encouraged others to follow him, he was banished from Vulcan, never to return.
There's probably wiggle room that Sybok can get all emotional well after he was a student, strictly from the dialogue. This is the same show that's stomping all over Pike being about Kirk's age (by making him a classmate of Georgiou's) and very likely going to steamroll Kirk's "I met Pike when he was promoted to fleet captain"
They should make it a running joke where Sybok knows all about Stonn and T'Pring, and Spock ignores him because he assume Sybok's just being crazy.
Sybok: Brother, listen to me! T'Pring's cheating on you with Stonn! I could hear them all night even in my prison cell! Run away and let someone else help you with pon farr! Even an Orion!
T'Pring: Don't listen to him Spock, he's a crazy lunatic.
Spock: Indeed.
Stonn:
Sybok: Brother! I heard them planning! They're going to wait until your pon farr and then kill you or make you kill your captain!
Spock:
T'Pring: Ignore him.
If Spock and TPring can end there engagement with a finger swipe.. Why go all murdery in Amok time.?
She could have told him what's up, and only thing would be Spock saying No.. Which I don't think would happen.. And Spock going to a Vulcan brothel for a happy ending.. ..
Yeah, the elephant in the room here is that SNW has completely retconned Vulcan culture and physiology in terms of mating. There is literally no point to Pon Farr now, and since Spock can apparently bang T'Pring whenever, there should be no buildup of pent up energy or whatever that results in a 'mate or die' insanity every seven years. This is one aspect where SNW has kind of 'wrecked it' in terms of what was established.
Maybe Sybok is setting up a cult at his yoga retreat criminal rehabilitation centre? He might try to recruit T’Pring using reverse psychology ‘feeling her pain’ at having a long distance relationship with Spock. He might try to manipulate her…
It can still be made to fit. It's 2259. T'Pring keeps banging Spock until next season and then ghosts him in 2260. Spock, confused, then turns down other potential dates like Leila Kalomi believing that T'Pring is still waiting for him. He waits 7 years until Amok Time and goes through Pon Farr mania.
Only if you are talking about "Discovery" and "Picard."