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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"

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cooleddie74 said:
Also, Chapel and McCoy seem clueless about what he's going through at the beginning of "Amok Time," which is a bit odd if Chapel has seen him go through a previous pon farr cycle. She should be like: "oh, right, it's been seven years. It's his Vulcan mating fever."
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I'm curious if M'Benga is supposed to be onboard but offscreen during Amok Time now. It was established as early as TOS that he interned on Vulcan. However, at the time he first appeared in TOS after Amok Time, it was implied he was a relatively new addition to the crew. We now know from Strange New Worlds that this isn't the case unless he took a break from the Enterprise for a while.

And even if M'Benga did intern on Vulcan, it's no guarantee he would know about Pon Farr since they seem extremely secretive about it.
 
Sci said:
I don't think that analogy works because the United Kingdom was a major colonial power, whereas Vulcan is a constituent part of a larger Federation rather than an overtly colonial power in its own right. Furthermore, ENT established explicitly that Vulcans weren't big on settler-colonialism and didn't establish that many off-world colonies of their own. When they were doing the imperialism thing in the 22nd Century, they preferred to use client governments to exert their will like the ones on Coridan and United Earth.



On what basis? We know literally nothing about Stonn's personality or his relationship with T'Pring, other than that they were dating by 2267.



100% agreed.



T'Pring doesn't have to actively want Spock to die in order to prefer him dying over being married to him. And I think being willing to get Kirk killed is not morally any better, nor is it any less of an indicator of how badly her relationship with Spock must have deteriorated.



Well I totally missed that part if she did! A thousand fanfics on ao3 were just born!



ENT explicitly established that they didn't do the space-settler-colonialism thing en masse. And by the 2350s, Federation space should have expanded far beyond even the furthest 22nd Century Vulcan colony.
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The ENT first Kirshara episode, Syran stated to Archer Vulcans not being explorers was a High Command lie, one of many
Yistaan said:
As an Asian American myself once I realized in my twenties and thirties how hard it was for Asian men to get dates (even with Asian women as those born here often date whites and those born overseas stick to those from their country), I won't deny that a part of me wished I had become white, and this was not that long ago! Considering how easy cosmetic altering seems to be in Trek's future, our imaginations could go down that dark path where a lot of minorities willingly altered their appearance to fit in or have it easier getting a date... :(


I'm now pretending Chapel said exactly this to Spock after Amok Time (over plomeek soup of course)

We do have Ash Tyler and Julian Bashir, who were prominent characters.
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I would expect Trek's future humanity would have the emotional maturity to stop drinking the white privilege kool aid, perhaps all the human admirals in charge of Starfleet are the non white humans
 
Yistaan said:
I'm curious if M'Benga is supposed to be onboard but offscreen during Amok Time now. It was established as early as TOS that he interned on Vulcan. However, at the time he first appeared in TOS after Amok Time, it was implied he was a relatively new addition to the crew. We now know from Strange New Worlds that this isn't the case unless he took a break from the Enterprise for a while.

And even if M'Benga did intern on Vulcan, it's no guarantee he would know about Pon Farr since they seem extremely secretive about it.
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It's possible. After all, McCoy scanned and was in close proximity to more than a few Klingons during his career and yet in TUC says he doesn't know Gorkon's anatomy. I can see Vulcans being very confidential about the existence of pon farr.
 
Splendid episode, seeing Pike stir up that mutiny starting with food was really fun, the enterprise takeover was possible the best Star Trek has ever done and Captain Angel is a fantastic villain, totally didn’t see her turning coming.

The Spock/t’pring/chapel bits worked well for me as well.

Funny production detail: smart way to show Sybok without casting the actor!

Still not convinced on the special effects, also what’s going on with Spock’s ears in this episode? They looked incredibly fake, not matching the skin tone at all!

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Addendum: so they need days to get orders from Starfleet and then can communicate with Vulcan in real time? Uhm.
 
jackoverfull said:
what’s going on with Spock’s ears in this episode? They looked incredibly fake, not matching the skin tone at all!

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Addendum: so they need days to get orders from Starfleet and then can communicate with Vulcan in real time? Uhm.
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They can communicate with T'Pring's prison moon, which isn't Vulcan, in real time.

And for the Vulcan ears, hey, Trek's only had 56 years to get that sort of thing done right...
 
Could the third moon of Omicron Lyrae be where the Vulcanis Lunar colony that Tuvok was born in be located? Vulcan has no moon, and I never got the impression there was a sizable Vulcan presence on Earth's moon (but who knows).
 
Yistaan said:
I'm curious if M'Benga is supposed to be onboard but offscreen during Amok Time now. It was established as early as TOS that he interned on Vulcan. However, at the time he first appeared in TOS after Amok Time, it was implied he was a relatively new addition to the crew. We now know from Strange New Worlds that this isn't the case unless he took a break from the Enterprise for a while.

And even if M'Benga did intern on Vulcan, it's no guarantee he would know about Pon Farr since they seem extremely secretive about it.
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He could've gone to Vulcan as part of a medical exchange program like how Phlox was assigned to the NX-01 Enterprise.
 
Omicron Lyrae doesn't exist.
From Wikipedia's profile on the constellation Lyra:
German cartographer Johann Bayer used the Greek letters alpha through nu to label the most prominent stars in the constellation. English astronomer John Flamsteed observed and labelled two stars each as delta, epsilon, zeta and nu. He added pi and rho, not using xi and omicron as Bayer used these letters to denote Cygnus and Hercules on his map.[12]

Guessing that subsequent astronomers "fixed" that at some point, probably alongside adding constellations such as "Braga"...
 
Yistaan said:
I'm curious if M'Benga is supposed to be onboard but offscreen during Amok Time now. It was established as early as TOS that he interned on Vulcan. However, at the time he first appeared in TOS after Amok Time, it was implied he was a relatively new addition to the crew. We now know from Strange New Worlds that this isn't the case unless he took a break from the Enterprise for a while.
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Of course he did. Probably went back to specialize in a particular aspect of medicine.
 
Timelord Victorious said:
But the Pon Farr in TOS was Spock‘s first. Didn’t he say, he hoped he might skip it due to his human heritage?
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It's never said that it was his first, which would make no sense. He does say that he'd hoped he would be spared it, but not that it's never happened - just that eventually, the ancient drives catch up with them. So it's something he's found a way to put off.
 
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Yistaan said:
I'm curious if M'Benga is supposed to be onboard but offscreen during Amok Time now. It was established as early as TOS that he interned on Vulcan. However, at the time he first appeared in TOS after Amok Time, it was implied he was a relatively new addition to the crew. We now know from Strange New Worlds that this isn't the case unless he took a break from the Enterprise for a while.

And even if M'Benga did intern on Vulcan, it's no guarantee he would know about Pon Farr since they seem extremely secretive about it.
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He was hanging around with Pavel Chekov when Khan took over the ship in TOS S1 - Space Seed. ;)
 
Yistaan said:
I'm curious if M'Benga is supposed to be onboard but offscreen during Amok Time now. It was established as early as TOS that he interned on Vulcan. However, at the time he first appeared in TOS after Amok Time, it was implied he was a relatively new addition to the crew. We now know from Strange New Worlds that this isn't the case unless he took a break from the Enterprise for a while.
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i don’t think he was on board then: he was treated elsewhere as the resident expert on Vulcans, one would expect McCoy to seek his opinion regarding Spock if he was available. Same goes for Journey to Babel.
I never felt this to be a problem, though: crew comes and go.

Yistaan said:
They can communicate with T'Pring's prison moon, which isn't Vulcan, in real time.
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I wasn’t sure if it was Vulcan or not, but certainly in federation space.
 
Sakonna said:
I must admit, I'm a bit baffled by the gender identity thing with Aspen/Angel. They cast a woman who uses she/her pronouns to play a non-binary character who uses they/them? Why not hire a non-binary actor for this non-binary role? Or present the character as a transwoman once they cast this actress?

And within the plot, was the real Dr. Aspen also non-binary? Or was Captain Angel a female character assuming a non-binary cover identity?
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It was all about the message that nuTrek feels obliged to, It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not.
 
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