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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"

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Captain Jollydark said:
I'm leaning towards the idea that Sybok wasn't aware of his honey's plans. And I really liked that T'pring was worried about Sybok's (her patient's) safety. She's a good person now. Christine Chapel is a vital, strong woman now. They both undergo some serious changes over the next ten years. Spock is the thing they have in common. :hugegrin:
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This gives me flashbacks to Mr. Peanutbutter on "Bojack Horseman"...

"Why do all these idealistic, vivacious women turn bitter and cruel after being with me? What's the common denominator?!?!?"
 
Belz... said:
I did see it coming, but not long before it happened. Just the way they set up the scene in Engineering.

The episode was OK. Some fun stuff, some rushed stuff (like the pirate mutiny, not only the idea and execution of it but with it happening offscreen). I... still have something that doesn't click about this show. Can't put my finger on it.

But at least they represented the Enterprise well: it's still ridiculously easy to take control of the ship.
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I still think the thing that doesn't click too well is that the Enterprise is still sticking too close to home. The idea that they are not allowed to leave Federation space without permission flies in the face of the mission to explore. Much of the drama and tension of TOS was the fact that they couldn't phone home for help every time they got in trouble because they were actually out there looking for new worlds and civilizations. It's hard to go where no one has gone before if you stay in your own back yard. Still enjoying the show immensely, though, and thought this one was one of the better ones, just from an action/adventure standpoint.
 
Sakonna said:
This gives me flashbacks to Mr. Peanutbutter on "Bojack Horseman"...

"Why do all these idealistic, vivacious women turn bitter and cruel after being with me? What's the common denominator?!?!?"
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As someone who had trouble getting dates, has no criminal record, don't drink, smoke, or do bad things, have a high salary, am told by multiple managers that everyone likes me, I bluntly think it's unfair to imply wrongdoing on a person who struggles in the dating world when there is no hard evidence of it. Some people just don't easily fit what a lot of people want as far as perceptions of masculinity, and that's not a crime.
 
Great episode. The production is solid, writing is solid. They are knocking it out of the park every week.


But casting a green guy as an Irish pirate......
 
Yistaan said:
As someone who had trouble getting dates, has no criminal record, don't drink, smoke, or do bad things, have a high salary, am told by multiple managers that everyone likes me, I bluntly think it's unfair to imply wrongdoing on a person who struggles in the dating world when there is no hard evidence of it. Some people just don't easily fit what a lot of people want as far as perceptions of masculinity, and that's not a crime.
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I don't really see the connection to my comment? We're joking about characters who are never without partners or drowning in interested suitors, not commenting on those that struggle to find mates.
 
Jack Wolfe said: ↑
You mean, like England did with the Botany Bay penal colony in Australia? Granted, it was a dumping ground rather than a rehab facility, but it sets a precedent for getting the undesirables as far away from your homeland as possible.
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Sci said:
I don't think that analogy works because the United Kingdom was a major colonial power, whereas Vulcan is a constituent part of a larger Federation rather than an overtly colonial power in its own right. Furthermore, ENT established explicitly that Vulcans weren't big on settler-colonialism and didn't establish that many off-world colonies of their own. When they were doing the imperialism thing in the 22nd Century, they preferred to use client governments to exert their will like the ones on Coridan and United Earth.
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You, for whatever reason, latched on to the first bit and completely ignored the thrust of my argument. I have bolded and underlined the salient portion of my original post for your reading convenience.
 
For me, the only downside of Picard is that it means I have to admit Nemesis took place... before Picard I was able to ignore its existence and strike it from my personal headcanon. Now Strange New Worlds is requiring me to do the same with Star Trek V: The Final Frontier... :rolleyes:
 
Vale said:
For me, the only downside of Picard is that it means I have to admit Nemesis took place... before Picard I was able to ignore its existence and strike it from my personal headcanon. Now Strange New Worlds is requiring me to do the same with Star Trek V: The Final Frontier... :rolleyes:
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I'm surprised that of the many, many Romulans that Picard meets in his show not a single one of them looks at him in confusion and says, "Praetor Shinzon?"
 
Sci said:
T'Pring doesn't have to actively want Spock to die in order to prefer him dying over being married to him. And I think being willing to get Kirk killed is not morally any better, nor is it any less of an indicator of how badly her relationship with Spock must have deteriorated.
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I never implied it was morally better! And from where we stand now in the series it's hard to believe T'Pring could ever wish Spock dead. I only meant that she took the opportunity presented to her in Amok Time and made a decision (perfectly logical by her metrics) to use Kirk so that neither Vulcan would die. Of course we're all fan-projecting here. When the episode was written nobody cared about the woman's perspective or position or what may have driven her to such drastic choices. She was the cold-hearted plot device who wouldn't have sex with our suffering hero. I'm looking forward to seeing why and how it all falls apart to the point that they're inexorably tied to each other in a "sex or die" scenario.

I got a little choked up when it looked like they were breaking things off.
 
Yistaan said:
As someone who had trouble getting dates, has no criminal record, don't drink, smoke, or do bad things, have a high salary, am told by multiple managers that everyone likes me, I bluntly think it's unfair to imply wrongdoing on a person who struggles in the dating world when there is no hard evidence of it. Some people just don't easily fit what a lot of people want as far as perceptions of masculinity, and that's not a crime.
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You don't know Mr. Peanutbuttter then. :)
 
Timofnine said:
. Aspden states that Pike used to be in the Boy Scouts, something which he flat out denied in much the same way that Kirk did when pressed by Carol Marcus. However, Una has seen Pike’s personal file and knows very well that he was actually in the Boy Scouts. I don’t know why he would want to deny it though
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Point of order, being called a boy scout, in temperament, is different from actually being in the Boy Scouts. Like Superman's nickname "Big Blue Boy Scout" is independent of whether or not Clark was actually a Scout.

Rahul said:
But then Pike was WAY to jolly, when in fact several of his crewmembers should have had been killed during the take-over.
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They were using stun, every crewman killed is one less they have to sell.
 
Sakonna said:
...and they'll stay that was for another 115-ish years or so.

Tendi, 121 in-universe years later:
"And for your information, many Orions haven't been pirates for over FIVE years!"

I love that joke. I am so glad we finally have an Orion regular on one of these shows. :bolian:
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Maybe piracy to the Orions is a bit like their equivalent of pon farr... every few years they are biologically compelled to go on a pillage or two.
 
Yistaan said:
I keep wondering what would've happened if Spock had actually killed Kirk. T'Pau seems to think that due to her status and historic relationship with President Archer and the Vulcans' role in founding the Federation, she and Vulcan would've been fine. Personally I think the resulting uproar on the death of the captain of Starfleet's flagship on Vulcan soil would've had Vulcan expelled from the Federation. We already know Starfleet is full of evil admirals and closeted speciests like Styles (Balance of Terror) who are just waiting for some excuse to turn on the Vulcans. And the Tellarites as shown by Ambassador Gav weren't exactly happy with Sarek and the Vulcans either in TOS. They'd definitely play Kirk's death for all it's worth on the Federation Council.
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I point out that Kirk voluntarily chose to be involved in this. Well, semi-voluntarily.

Sakonna said:
I love that joke. I am so glad we finally have an Orion regular on one of these shows. :bolian:
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Alternate timeline or not, I choose to believe Tendi is related to Galia.
 
Vale said:
For me, the only downside of Picard is that it means I have to admit Nemesis took place... before Picard I was able to ignore its existence and strike it from my personal headcanon. Now Strange New Worlds is requiring me to do the same with Star Trek V: The Final Frontier... :rolleyes:
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TFF has lots of problems. Sybok was not one of them for me. We have 4 seasons of Spock's sister. I'm more cool with Sybok.
 
UssGlenn said:
Point of order, being called a boy scout, in temperament, is different from actually being in the Boy Scouts. Like Superman's nickname "Big Blue Boy Scout" is independent of whether or not Clark was actually a Scout.



They were using stun, every crewman killed is one less they have to sell.
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But Una said that it was on Pike’s personal file? :shrug:
 
UssGlenn said:
They were using stun, every crewman killed is one less they have to sell.
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Yes, but Pike didn't knew that.
I think having a violent take-over NOT killing anyone at all is the more outlandish guess, even if taking prisoners was part of the plan.

Also, does anyone else find it weird that the bad guys shoot to stun, and it's the heroes that shoot to kill?

Anyway - it now being a few more hours since I watched it, the better it becomes in memory. It's still missing that special spark or bite. But the visuals were nice, and the character work great.
 
Saul said:
TFF has lots of problems. Sybok was not one of them for me. We have 4 seasons of Spock's sister. I'm more cool with Sybok.
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The good thing about Sybok is - his story is pretty much a blank slate!
SNW can have a full fledged arc & character development - that can end anywhere from Spock & Sybok parting as bitter enemies, or with new found respect and friendship for each other. The only thing that's set in stone is that they seperate at the end and are not 100% ideologically aligned.
 
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