Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x03 - "Ghosts of Illyria"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by Commander Richard, May 17, 2022.

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  1. 10 - Excellent!

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  4. 7

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  10. 1 - I give it a number one, and not the good Number One.

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  1. thribs

    thribs Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Well obviously if you are in the corridors you would go to their quarters but Uhura was in duty. She would have stayed there with the other bridge officers until it was safe. They could sleep in the ready room the Enterprise surprisingly now has if they get tired.
    That would be her bubble.
     
  2. Belz...

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    ...Wouldn't she instead get back to her quarters when her duties were done?
     
  3. Vince A

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    Finally got a chance to watch it tonight. Best episode so far, classic Trek-style social commentary, and Rebecca Romijn is great as No1.

    So No1 is a secret alien?

    I got the part about her passing as human to get into starfleet, which is great social commentary. But I'm not clear as to what her real background is supposed to be, sort of seemed like a superhuman but also maybe an alien?

    And I definitely was not holding back tears hearing about M'bengas daughter. Nope. Not at all.
     
  4. CorporalCaptain

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    That's true.

    However, [nerd propeller hat on] I think those who've attempted to design plausible turbolift networks could be tasked to come up with a protocol/sequence to clear corridors and turbolifts, in order to make contact physically impossible except within isolation zones while clearing these spaces, without requiring the transporter. This would allow the lockdowns to happen in place, wherever the crew happened to be.

    One proposal would be: Using force fields to temporarily subdivide large spaces into temporary isolation zones (including cargo bays, the shuttle bay, rec rooms, etc.), empty all turbo lifts. Using the turbolifts, empty all corridors into additional temporary isolation zones in those large spaces. Then, empty the temporary isolation zones, one at a time, allowing the crew members in each zone to have the run of the corridors until they get to their proper isolation zone (essential duty station or quarters).

    For something as (relatively) mild as COVID, it's obviously overkill. But what about the virulent zombie apocalypse rage virus sickness in LDS "Second Contact" or something worse?

    [spins nerd propeller]

    I hum a lot.
     
  5. Belz...

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    So interesting how we all get different impressions from the same thing. Keeps the world turning, I guess. :)

    Jury's still out.
     
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  6. Vince A

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    I don't have any trouble understanding him either.

    This reminds me of that youtube video of UK Parliament were one guy couldn't understand another guy because of his Scottish accent. I'm from SoCal and I can understand him perfectly fine, yet an Englishman from another part of the Island couldn't understand him.


    It's strange how it works. I've heard some people have an ear for accents and foreign languages, the way some people have an ear for music, with significant overlap between the two. Not sure if its true or not.
     
  7. Belz...

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    I think he understands him just fine.
     
  8. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Oh grow up.
     
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  9. captainmkb

    captainmkb Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    voice of reason here: in space the atmosphere is 100% controlled, as the oxygen and breathing gases are literally being pumped in. having people move between points on the ship while in a lockdown for a communicable pathogen would require special logistics, and if undertaken properly would ensure that every single person took an elevator or hallway separately from air breathed by any other person.

    the idea of shared quarters is almost laughable in the face of the fact that it would be infinitely safer to separate people out into unused lounges and anterooms. rather than putting 2 uninfected people in a shared living space with someone who was just on duty in a room with 7 other -possibly exposed- people

    did anyone else live someplace where COVID-19 struck last year? i feel like something might have been missed
     
  10. thribs

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    And interact with with her roommates?
    If she had her own quarters, yes.
     
  11. Belz...

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    Well how would that be different if she weren't on duty when the order was made? They'd still have to interact in their own, cramped quarters.
     
  12. Sci

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    Nothing in the episode says that Starfleet is evil. It presents Starfleet as having an institutional prejudice -- that doesn't make it evil, that makes it flawed.

    There's nothing "dark" about protecting your daughter from a disease.

    It's almost like their character arcs are going to be about those facets!

    That was literally part of the point of the episode -- characters realizing that they were all more complicated than they had assumed about one-another.

    There's actually nothing canonical to indicate that the Denobulans ever joined the Federation. It's just a common assumption fans have made, but for all we know Denobula might still be an independent world in 2401.
     
  13. Belz...

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    It is true to me, however, that it cramped the episode a bit and relegated what would normally be the A plot, or rather its resolution, to the sideline. Not sure how I feel about that.
     
  14. Sci

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    I guess I'm just not convinced M'Benga's section had to be an A plot. I think it might be laying the ground to become an A plot later on.
     
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    I meant the infection.
     
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    Well okay, but that plot is clearly Una's, not M'Benga's.
     
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  18. Belz...

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    See, I see the infection plot as separate as Una's Illyrian revelation. A and B plot, respectively. Here we have a second B plot, as it were. A bit too many.

    That won't do. You'll have to check out the rest!
     
  19. Timofnine

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    After beholding this episode for a second time I have some additional revelations to add to my previous post pertaining to this latest adventure of Captain Pike and his swashbuckling crew.

    La’an was bullied as a child for being a descendant of an infamous augment, this ‘blight’ in her family tree was common knowledge amongst all of her peers. She might not have even known about it herself at the time and could have been totally oblivious to the fact that she was being bullied, thinking that these interactions were perfectly normal and socially acceptable as she had never experienced anything different. First of all, I question why at such a young age the children (and adults) around her had been allowed to make this connection as surely the supervisors supporting her would have put some kind of safeguarding measures in place, having known that this common knowledge and the negative social reactions and connotations towards it would have been detrimental to La’an’s mental health and future prospects? It would be a bit like finding out that one of your class mates was descended from Ghengis Khan or Kodos the Executioner. Secondly I ask why she was still being judged for the sins of her ‘long lost and more than twice removed’ ancestor? Why did people find it so hard to realise that La’an is a totally separate and unique individual? The answer could quite simply be that she was surrounded by nasty bullies from a very young age. La’an, though not being an augment herself (I don’t think, though it could be a twist and she actually is? Maybe ‘everyone ever’ in Star Trek is descended from an augment, but no one actually realises it yet! Haha!) took out her frustration and anger resulting from her past experiences of being tormented on to Number One who had just been revealed to be an augment too - just like her much hated and maligned ancestor. La’an projected all of this pent up rage on to Una using all of her might, becoming one of the bullies that she once was a victim of herself. I did find it somewhat redeeming that the Illyrian’s only decided to augment themselves as a way to adapt to their planet; not because they wanted to become Pah Wraiths or Gary Mitchel’s. Instead of destroying (I presume?) their home planet so that it changed to cater for them (terraforming?), they left their planet alone - hopefully it is a paradise of sorts full of nature and wonders and not a wasteland or a desert, in which case terraforming would have been the better option! Is that a fair trade off though? Eugenics to protect the planet and nature itself? Or is this just an excuse for eugenics? :shrug:

    Una Hid her eugenics secret from the Federation so that she could join Starfleet, it is a similar story to that of Doctor Bashir, but to be fair he never knew about this connection until later on in life. When Una admitted her ‘mutant’ status to Pike, I think that he probably already secretly knew that she was an Illyrian augment… he was quite blazé about it and didn’t seem surprised.

    Maybe he has Section 31 connections…

    I also need to give credit to Una for helping M’Benga to keep his daughter alive by diverting power to the transporter buffer that she is being stored in. :bolian:

    I still stand by my original grading of 7.5/10, which I rounded up to an 8, this was the nearest whole number available on the episode rating poll at the start of this thread.
     
  20. Nerys Myk

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    Humans gonna human. And based on Spock's childhood, Vulcans are gonna "human" too.
     
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