Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x03 - "Ghosts of Illyria"

[Jack Wolfe]

That won't do. You'll have to check out the rest!

My time watching TV is quite limited, and I want to keep it that way.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's true.

However, [nerd propeller hat on] I think those who've attempted to design plausible turbolift networks could be tasked to come up with a protocol/sequence to clear corridors and turbolifts, in order to make contact physically impossible except within isolation zones while clearing these spaces, without requiring the transporter. This would allow the lockdowns to happen in place, wherever the crew happened to be.

One proposal would be: Using force fields to temporarily subdivide large spaces into temporary isolation zones (including cargo bays, the shuttle bay, rec rooms, etc.), empty all turbo lifts. Using the turbolifts, empty all corridors into additional temporary isolation zones in those large spaces. Then, empty the temporary isolation zones, one at a time, allowing the crew members in each zone to have the run of the corridors until they get to their proper isolation zone (essential duty station or quarters).

For something as (relatively) mild as COVID, it's obviously overkill. But what about the virulent zombie apocalypse rage virus sickness in LDS "Second Contact" or something worse?

[spins nerd propeller]


I hum a lot.

 

[Vale]

That won't do. You'll have to check out the rest!

I'm genuinely astonished at people trying to rank SNW against other Trek series after only three episodes. Imagine trying to rank TNG objectively after "Encounter at Farpoint", "The Naked Now", and motherfucking "Code of Honor"...

 

[Jack Wolfe]

I'm genuinely astonished at people trying to rank SNW against other Trek series after only three episodes. Imagine trying to rank TNG objectively after "Encounter at Farpoint", "The Naked Now", and motherfucking "Code of Honor"...

I've watched a fair amount of entertainment during my several decades walking this earth. I'm a pretty good judge when it comes to knowing what I like, and I'm dead certain I don't have to justify my reasoning to anyone.

 

[DaveyNY]

They could be the same species. I think that's a valid interpretation. But I think the evidence is inconclusive and it's just as legitimate to interpret them as separate species with similar names.

... have similar-enough cranial ridges to the Illyrian kid seen in the Starfleet database image in SNW...

... to assume that they must be the same species.

You must be aware that as children grow their bone structure hardens and grows with them.
(even human children)
It's entirely possible that at birth, an Illyrian baby has only a slight resemblance to a grown adult so as to ease it's travel through the mother's birth canal.
Which would also reduce the likelihood internal damage to the Mother.
(And your comparison pic's seem to very much confirm this)

Then as the Illyrian child grows to an adult, the prominent boney features would fully develop.

It is actually Science.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I'm genuinely astonished at people trying to rank SNW against other Trek series after only three episodes. Imagine trying to rank TNG objectively after "Encounter at Farpoint", "The Naked Now", and motherfucking "Code of Honor"...

Yoda reminds us, there is no try. Do, or do not.

I did.

That is, I ranked the first three episodes of SNW against all the other streaming-era episodes, and stated that qualification.

If there's anything astonishing here, it's that there really isn't anything astonishing about it at all.

It's just another way of saying that SNW is off to a great start, especially when you compare it to other streaming-era Star Trek.

It's also a statement that SNW has a long way to fall. If the episodes start sucking, it will be disappointing.

 

[Sci]

See, I see the infection plot as separate as Una's Illyrian revelation. A and B plot, respectively. Here we have a second B plot, as it were. A bit too many.

Totally disagree. The infection and Una's revelation are the same plot -- the A plot, owned by Una. The B plot is Spock and Pike on the planet. M'Benga's secret is the C plot and it comprises exactly three scenes: Hemmer getting suspicious, Una confronting M'Benga, and M'Benga comforting his daughter.

After beholding this episode for a second time I have some additional revelations to add to my previous post pertaining to this latest adventure of Captain Pike and his swashbuckling crew.

La’an was bullied as a child for being a descendant of an infamous augment, this ‘blight’ in her family tree was common knowledge amongst all of her peers. She might not have even known about it herself at the time and could have been totally oblivious to the fact that she was being bullied, thinking that these interactions were perfectly normal and socially acceptable as she had never experienced anything different. First of all, I question why at such a young age the children (and adults) around her had been allowed to make this connection as surely the supervisors supporting her would have put some kind of safeguarding measures in place, having known that this common knowledge and the negative social reactions and connotations towards it would have been detrimental to La’an’s mental health and future prospects?

That's a very broad question that would depend on the specifics of her childhood. The most we can say is that it is well-established in ST canon that verbal harassment and abuse between children has not been eliminated from Federation society (e.g., Spock's abuse as a childhood, Bashir's childhood, the girls in Short Treks: "Children of Mars," etc.).

Secondly I ask why she was still being judged for the sins of her ‘long lost and more than twice removed’ ancestor? Why did people find it so hard to realise that La’an is a totally separate and unique individual?

Because United Earth has a deeply-ingrained anti-genetic engineering prejudice that is pervasive through its culture and those of its offshots, one that is all about "othering" people and is not fully rational, and the Federation has absorbed at least part of that prejudice.

When Una admitted her ‘mutant’ status to Pike, I think that he probably already secretly knew that she was an Illyrian augment… he was quite blazé about it and didn’t seem surprised.

Maybe he has Section 31 connections…

God I hope not. He hated Section 31 in S2 of DIS.

 

[Sci]

You may not realize that as children grow their bone structure hardens and grows with them.
(even human children)

I am aware of elementary biology, thank you.

It's entirely possible that at birth, an Illyrian baby has only a slight resemblance to a grown adult so as to ease it's travel through the mother's birth canal.
Which would also reduce the likelihood internal damage to the Mother.
(And your comparison pic's seem to very much confirm this)

Then as the Illyrian child grows to an adult, the prominent boney features would fully develop.

That is entirely possible and is a completely legitimate interpretation of the canonical evidence, but it is not one I agree with for reasons I've outlined already.

 

[Zod]

It would have been nice for them to give a little credit to D.C. Fontana. Just an "inspired by" would have been great. She wrote Vulcan's glory in 1989 and it had stuff right out of this storyline.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Vulcan's_Glory

Great episode! Gave it a 9/10

Loved getting to see more of this version of the Enterprise. I have to say it looks totally gorgeous to my eyes. From the exteriors of the ship to interiors. The writing on Trek has taken an incline imo. Please keep it up!

 

[Belz...]

My time watching TV is quite limited, and I want to keep it that way.

Fair enough. For your consideration, however, I thought I'd hate LD and absolutely didn't, and it's only 10 episodes of 23 minutes a season.

 

[DaveyNY]

I am aware of elementary biology, thank you.



That is entirely possible and is a completely legitimate interpretation of the canonical evidence, but it is not one I agree with for reasons I've outlined already.

So you'd rather be a contrarian than spend a bit of time actually figuring out a way to make stuff work.

That's not how I like to enjoy my favorite show after 50 some odd years, but OK, to each their own.

 

[Belz...]

Totally disagree. The infection and Una's revelation are the same plot -- the A plot, owned by Una. The B plot is Spock and Pike on the planet. M'Benga's secret is the C plot and it comprises exactly three scenes: Hemmer getting suspicious, Una confronting M'Benga, and M'Benga comforting his daughter.

Conceded on B and C but Una's subplot being connected to the main plot doesn't mean they're one and the same. In fact the B and C plots are also connected to the A plot.

 

[Sci]

It would have been nice for them to give a little credit to D.C. Fontana. Just an "inspired by" would have been great. She wrote Vulcan's glory in 1989 and it had stuff right out of this storyline.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Vulcan's_Glory

Good episode!

Totally agreed. In addition to their longstanding use of exploitative work-for-hire contracts that force authors to sign away rights to original characters and concepts they create for tie-in novels and allow Paramount to reuse those elements without compensation, Paramount these days has also developed a habit of reusing elements from novels and other apocrypha without even giving a "Special Thanks" credit. They did the same thing when they used the character of Control from the novel Section 31: Control, without giving a special thanks to author David Mack.

 

[Sci]

So you'd rather be a contrarian than spend a bit of time actually figuring out a way to make stuff work.

That's not how I like to enjoy my favorite show after 50 some odd years, but OK. to each their own.

I explicitly said that your interpretation is plausible and legitimate; I'm not sure how much less contrarian I could be.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Fair enough. For your consideration, however, I thought I'd hate LD and absolutely didn't, and it's only 10 episodes of 23 minutes a season.

Thanks, I will keep it in mind over the summer months.

 

[Belz...]

So you'd rather be a contrarian than spend a bit of time actually figuring out a way to make stuff work.

I don't think that's very fair. It's not our job, as audience members, to make "make stuff work". It's the writers'. Now, I'm not saying I agree with Sci. Just that I don't think your response is very fair to him.

 

[DaveyNY]

Totally agreed. In addition to their longstanding use of exploitative work-for-hire contracts that force authors to sign away rights to original characters and concepts they create for tie-in novels and allow Paramount to reuse those elements without compensation, Paramount these days has also developed a habit of reusing elements from novels and other apocrypha without even giving a "Special Thanks" credit. They did the same thing when they used the character of Control from the novel Section 31: Control, without giving a special thanks to author David Mack.

If I remember correctly, Mr. Mack commented on that in this very BBS and was OK with it.
Though I also seem to remember him mentioning that someone from the production office did eventually reach out to him.

 

[Sci]

If I remember correctly, Mr. Mack commented on that in this very BBS and was OK with it.

He has a right to feel however he wants to feel about it -- but a contract that gives the corporation to right to benefit from a person's labor without compensation or acknowledgment is still exploitative. And it's gross not to at least give a special thanks.

 

[DaveyNY]

I don't think that's very fair. It's not our job, as audience members, to make "make stuff work". It's the writers'. Now, I'm not saying I agree with Sci. Just that I don't think your response is very fair to him.

Obviously, you haven't been a Trek enthusiast since TOS hit the airwaves and that was pretty much standard procedure for over a decade and beyond.

 

[DaveyNY]

He has a right to feel however he wants to feel about it -- but a contract that gives the corporation to right to benefit from a person's labor without compensation or acknowledgment is still exploitative. And it's gross not to at least give a special thanks.

Heh ... "Yes, Yes.., your Corporate Hatred will only make you stronger ... "