Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[DaveyNY]

Hmm. I'll see you that and raise you Mr. Scott at the end of TMP, on the newly refit Enterprise: "We can have ye back on Vulcan in four days, Mr. Spock..."

I know, I know. Speed of plot and all that rot. Nobody seems to like my canon-preserving idea that Spock and T'Pring weren't actually about to get it on when duty called, and it didn't appear either was going through ponn far...

Spock had just returned to the Enterprise, it seemed to me that Scotty was making a joke about not going back to Vulcan in a hurry.
He wasn't actually indicating that it would really take that long.

Plus, Scotty was infamous for adjusting his time references to fit the situation.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Spock had just returned to the Enterprise, it seemed to me that Scotty was making a joke about not going back to Vulcan in a hurry.
He wasn't actually indicating that it would really take that long.

I never took that as any form of joke. Plus, given that Vulcan is 16 LY away from Earth and using the old TOS warp scale, it would have taken something like 11 days at Warp 8, or 15 at Warp 7. But as always, arguing speed WRT Trek is a pointless endeavor: the canon is hopelessly inconsistent and there is only one real speed: plot.

 

[Noname Given]

Hmm. I'll see you that and raise you Mr. Scott at the end of TMP, on the newly refit Enterprise: "We can have ye back on Vulcan in four days, Mr. Spock..."

I know, I know. Speed of plot and all that rot. Nobody seems to like my canon-preserving idea that Spock and T'Pring weren't actually about to get it on when duty called, and it didn't appear either was going through ponn far...

With respect to Star Trek: The Motion Picture, remember that in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, Scotty admitted he always multiplies all his estimates by a factor of 4; and I doubt Kirk would have been in much of a hurry as they still needed to test out a lot of the new systems installed in the refit 1701.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Clearly, the thing on Vulcan between Spock and T'Pring and his near-instantaneous return to Earth when called was a writing blooper. I just need to let it go, but that kind of crap is lazy writing and it just rankles me.

 

[DaveyNY]

I never took that as any form of joke.

Just because you didn't, doesn't change the fact that it could have been.
As I indicated, Sock's return to the Enterprise was a big deal, even for him.
It was pretty obvious by the end of the movie there was no reason for him to return to Vulcan.
(as he stated in the movie)

Scotty was well aware of that, thus his overestimate of the travel time.

 

[cooleddie74]

It's kind of like how Qo'noS is just 80 hours away from Earth using the maximum warp of the mid-22nd century. Best to just look at it as the needs of the story and the speeds of ships catering the requirements of that story.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Federation Starships have always traveled at the speed of plot.

 

[GNDN18]

When did Spock first become aware of V’Ger? When did he depart Vulcan on a diplomatic shuttle? How long did it take him to get to the Sol system? Why is it that this is first time in 42 years I’ve had to consider this?

 

[cooleddie74]

This is not a fact, it is assumption. It is never stated as such in the episode.

Yeah, he was just going through pon farr and staring at her image, longing for her. Much like how you miss a wife or significant other and pine for them, looking at photos you have in your possession. He's lonely and misses her.

 

[Tuskin38]

That's funny considering the costume designer is the same person who previously stated 2259 before the show started.

In an interview? The only 2259 I remember was in the description placard for the costumes on display on the cruise and the Chicago con.

and it didn't appear either was going through ponn far.

Vulcans don't need to go through Pon Far to have sex.

 

[Mudd]

Clearly, the thing on Vulcan between Spock and T'Pring and his near-instantaneous return to Earth when called was a writing blooper. I just need to let it go, but that kind of crap is lazy writing and it just rankles me.

You can get there that fast, now. Just like the Abrams movies.

It's pretty much a permanent change, at this point.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

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Also the costume designer seems to think the show takes place in 2256?

Just got my tunic from an overseas eBay seller. It's pretty good for the price and looks nearly close to what's on the show.

I also pre-ordered the boots from the company that created them for the show.

Hoping tho' that down the road another company does high-end, screen accurate replicas of these. NOT Anovos. Someone who won't take my money and run.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

T'Pring came off as bitchy in TOS, but that was just her being coldly logical about her situation. It was interesting how they flipped the script on this in Enterprise, and T'Pol wound up marrying someone she didn't want to. It wasn't about T'Pring 'not wanting to have sex' with Spock, it was about her 'not wanting to be married' to Spock. She didn't want an absentee husband, and perhaps not one with human blood.

Um yes, I get that. Broad strokes in the service of sarcasm dude. ("Dude" in this case being non-gender specific slang.)
And you're right about the travel time involved, but I sincerely don't think that was meant to be inside his head.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Just got my tunic from an overseas eBay seller. It's pretty good for the price and looks nearly close to what's on the show.

I also pre-ordered the boots from the company that created them for the show.

Hoping tho' that down the road another company does high-end, screen accurate replicas of these. NOT Anovos. Someone who won't take my money and run.

I'm a huge fan of Fluevogs in general and was (according to my son) overly excited about those boots. I can in no way afford them, but I do think they look amazing.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hmm. I'll see you that and raise you Mr. Scott at the end of TMP, on the newly refit Enterprise: "We can have ye back on Vulcan in four days, Mr. Spock..."

I know, I know. Speed of plot and all that rot. Nobody seems to like my canon-preserving idea that Spock and T'Pring weren't actually about to get it on when duty called, and it didn't appear either was going through ponn far...

Doesn't TMP also have Spock rendezvousing with a dead stopped Enterprise via a "long range shuttle" from Vulcan?
Assuming Kirk's estimation of 12 hours to get ready was correct ,the Enterprise launched with V'Ger only 41 hours away from Earth. Spock got from Vulcan to the ship in the time between his initial contact with V'Ger and the Enterprise falling out of Warp. So maybe a day or less?

 

[Jedi Marso]

Doesn't TMP also have Spock rendezvousing with a dead stopped Enterprise via a "long range shuttle" from Vulcan?
Assuming Kirk's estimation of 12 hours to get ready was correct ,the Enterprise launched with V'Ger only 41 hours away from Earth. Spock got from Vulcan to the ship in the time between his initial contact with V'Ger and the Enterprise falling out of Warp. So maybe a day or less?

See, here's where I get to use everyone else's trope: Nowhere does it specifically say when it was that Spock first made mental contact with V'Ger and left for Earth. I figured he was already on his way (because that's where V'Ger was heading) by the time Kirk arrived at headquarters and had his three minute meeting with Nogura.

Then there was the actual 12 hours prior to launch, and we don't really know how much time passed between launch, the wormhole event, and Spock's arrival. By the time Spock arrived, V'ger was getting pretty close to Earth.

Am I right? Am I wrong? Does anyone care?

Hell, I don't even care. That much.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Then there was the actual 12 hours prior to launch, and we don't really know how much time passed between launch, the wormhole event, and Spock's arrival. By the time Spock arrived, V'ger was getting pretty close to Earth.

Well they went to warp while in the solar system.

 

[GNDN18]

Doesn't TMP also have Spock rendezvousing with a dead stopped Enterprise via a "long range shuttle" from Vulcan?
Assuming Kirk's estimation of 12 hours to get ready was correct ,the Enterprise launched with V'Ger only 41 hours away from Earth. Spock got from Vulcan to the ship in the time between his initial contact with V'Ger and the Enterprise falling out of Warp. So maybe a day or less?

When did Spock first become aware of V’Ger? When did he depart Vulcan on a diplomatic shuttle? How long did it take him to get to the Sol system? Why is it that this is first time in 42 years I’ve had to consider this?

 

[GNDN18]

I figured he was already on his way (because that's where V'Ger was heading) by the time Kirk arrived at headquarters and had his three minute meeting with Nogura.

Then there was the actual 12 hours prior to launch, and we don't really know how much time passed between launch, the wormhole event, and Spock's arrival. By the time Spock arrived, V'ger was getting pretty close to Earth.

Kirk says this to Scotty while they’re in the shuttle pod:

Mister Scott, there's an alien object with unbelievable destructive power less than three days away from this planet.
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After Spock arrives, Kirk says in his log that they will intercept V’Ger more than a day from Earth.

Which is to say that speed was set in all instances to warp factor plot requirements. It also might explain why there are 78 decks. Not to mention that sub space communications speed from Starfleet to the Romulan TNZ slowed from hours to weeks in less than three years.

 

[JoeZhang]

Love these jackets