Good to see they're perfecting the bridge lean. 
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In the context of this conversation you explained it without any specifics, so I'm not going to guess what you think they are just because you don't want to repeat yourself. And without specifics, you have no argument.
"Is that your version of a pep talk" gets me every time.
Reminds me of "you gave your girlfriend a tracking device?""Is that your version of a pep talk" gets me every time.
I love all the little quips in the various trailers:"Is that your version of a pep talk" gets me every time.
Pike: "...we have a planet to save before Breakfast..."
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Ortegas: "...First date or third date?"
Pike: "Blind date."
Ortergas: "Proceeding with caution..."
I completely agree. This was established by TAS, which is canon, right down to giant Spock being referenced on Lower Decks. We've been explicitly told all of the animated shows are canon. We have seen him and his wife, Sarah. Why couldn't this have just been Captain Stone? Its not about race, and I'm tired of being told that it is.
I can handwave most changes because I think the Nu-23rd century is a rewrite of the timeline after First Contact, but there is no way those butterflies changed his race.
How is the color of his skin important to his character? Where was Robert April born? Huh? What's that? FUCKING NOWHERE? He has NO BIOGRAPHY? Okay.
His skin color is visual fucking continuity and if the interior of the Enterprise can change so can his skin. If you can't get on board with that change I have a feeling the rest of the show will alienate you and I'm 100% on-board with it. Get lost.
His skin color is visual fucking continuity and if the interior of the Enterprise can change so can his skin. If you can't get on board with that change I have a feeling the rest of the show will alienate you and I'm 100% on-board with it. Get lost.
I am guessing there is some defectiveness of the trailer, but the dialogue feels chonky and weirdly delivered,
It is, because you can't come up with a complaint about Holmes' difference in appearance from the cartoon other than his race that would phase you for an instant. What, he has a beard? He's more balding than the cartoon character? Don't bullshit me. You'd shrug all that off.
All you are talking about is that he's the "wrong" race - that nonsense about butterflies and changing, etc. is addressing race and nothing else.
Don't try to piss on my head and tell me it's raining. The change in race bothers you; you just said so. No other difference does.
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It is neither. I am guessing the issue is in the listener rather than the sound.
It's very modern, for sure. Not necessarily a bad thing, mind you.
It's one thing to complain about "woke" changes going too far, but when ANY change or addition towards minorities is being complained about, one sure wonders where it comes from.
I've just realised that this means they might totally change Captain Zarlo when he shows up.
He will show up, right?
He will show up, right?
[Captain America] I understood that reference. [/Captain America]
Addition is great. Changing established backstory is not. Why does it have to be about minority or race? I would have been *beyond* happy with a big role for Captain Stone. I've never heard anyone complain about Sisko being non-white. I would fight and complain just as much if they recast him as any other race. NONE of this has ANYTHING to do with race. If they had announced this as a full reboot, you wouldn't be hearing the HINT of a complaint from me.
I can explain away the visual differences with time travel. This one has no good explanation, other than change for the sake of change, and contradicting what came before.
What counts as established backstory? Props? Uniforms? Ship design? Sets? Actor's faces? Or is it just skin colour, here?
Because you've made a complaint about race. As Serveaux said, if it was a mustache or other difference no one would be complaining. Did you notice M'Benga was a very different skin tone than the TOS version? No one seems to have batted an eye at that.
Rest assured, no backstory is changed where April is concerned.
Or perhaps you mean something other than backstory.
And yet, your complaint here is with the actor's race, and nothing else.
It makes no difference whether April is played by a white or a black actor. None.
What if April were played by a sentient tribble? That would get some panties in a bunch, with accusations of tribble-washing the casting and all that.
Wow! Somebody get me my sombrero...
Wow! Somebody get me my sombrero...
When it is a completely different character than the one that has already been established, how is that not changing backstory? Obviously that includes race, but to think that ANYONE has a problem with the character because he is a black man is ridiculous. Make a character. Use Stone. I'm sure the actor is going to play a great role. But its not Robert April.
I have a lot of problems with their use of M'Benga, including his age, but his race does not bother me - because it is still true to what has already been established.
Would it be okay if in a recasting, Picard became Asian? Or even German, or Finnish, instead of French/British? With no explanations?
I would complain equally as loud.
STOP SAYING ITS PRIME. JUST ADMIT THAT IT IS A REBOOT AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE ANY OF THIS TO BICKER ABOUT.
I have a lot of problems with their use of M'Benga, including his age, but his race does not bother me - because it is still true to what has already been established.
Would it be okay if in a recasting, Picard became Asian? Or even German, or Finnish, instead of French/British? With no explanations?
I would complain equally as loud.
STOP SAYING ITS PRIME. JUST ADMIT THAT IT IS A REBOOT AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE ANY OF THIS TO BICKER ABOUT.
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