Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[LaxScrutiny]

It was the first new live-action Trek we'd had in a decade.
I was floating in the stars when I came out.

The only person I could get to go with me was my oldest brother's GF at the time.
She liked it as well but could tell I was in 7th Heaven when we came out and kidded me about it.

I still consider that Friday evening as one of the best movie experiences of my life.

Any movie date at that age with your older brother's girlfriend would yield worthwhile memories. The factual memories would of course be platonic...

I was floating in the stars when I came out.

I think I already figured that, but what about when the movie came out?

 

[fireproof78]

But again the vast majority of fans didn't mind. They understood why those changes were made. To reflect the different medium and time it was made in, and the change expected by the audience of that day.

Which is what Trek has done when the tech has made itself available.

 

[DaveyNY]

Any movie date at that age with your older brother's girlfriend would yield worthwhile memories. The factual memories would of course be platonic...I think I already figured that, but what about when the movie came out?

Heh .. I very much knew well in advance that Janet (the GF) had absolutely no interest in me as a lover.
(nor I her)
She just happen to also like Trek.

And at that time, I was deeply infatuated and dating a wealthy older gentleman who unfortunately, was NOT into Sci-Fi at all.
(but he was very much into me on a regular basis, and even paid for the two of us to go see the movie)

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Heh .. I very much knew well in advance that Janet (the GF) had absolutely no interest in me as a lover.

Dammit! Janet!!! ...

 

[DaveyNY]

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Funny you should say that ... She was a HUGE Rocky Horror fan.

She took me to a midnight showing of the movie once because my brother wouldn't go.
(I'd seen the movie before, but had never done it as an "EVENT")

We had a blast that night too.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

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Funny you should say that ... She was a HUGE Rocky Horror fan.

She took me to a midnight showing of the movie once because my brother wouldn't go.
(I'd seen the movie before, but had never done it as an "EVENT")

We had a blast that night too.

Yeah. Whatever DID happen to Saturday night? I guess we went and got...OLD. Gasp!

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[NCC-73515]

That's a pretty slick trick you just tried to pull. The argument for the change isn't about the shape. Here you're talking about arguments against it.

stop random accusations. disprove my point instead.

 

[Belz...]

Trained military officers are not automatons. They joke, kid and goof with each other.

Yes, if we pretend that being a robot is the only alternative to being unprofessional, I'm sure that would be a great response. But in reality, saying that X is too much in one direction doesn't mean you want its polar opposite.

stop random accusations. disprove my point instead.

It wasn't random. It was specific, and I made the disproving of your point in the post you just quoted. Let's try again:

Your point isn't discussing what I was saying but instead pretends that I was saying something else. Your point was unrelated to what I was saying.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

And while the exterior hasn't changed in the modern era, the interior changes with each new Doctor.

We've had three different exteriors in the modern era. ;-)

 

[Belz...]

We've had three different exteriors in the modern era. ;-)

Yeah but all of those are settings in the TARDIS' main menu.

 

[Mudd]

• There's no good reason to treat recasting a fictional character like casting a real historical character. None at all.
• These are not "biopics." Not in any way. Using that as a standard for comparison is ludicrous.
• They have cast this series brilliantly. Full stop.

 

[Belz...]

There's no good reason to treat recasting a fictional character like casting a real historical character. None at all.

And even if they were biopics, a good amount of deviation is often expected. Pretty sure Colin Farrell looks nothing like Alexander the Great, nor Mel Gibson William Wallace, but those aren't part of those movies' problems.

 

[Mudd]

In fact, Trek fans hold this illusionary world to standards that no writers and producers and actors and designers of honest-to-gods historical films or TV would bother with.

 

[Belz...]

Again, welcome to fandom.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Yes, it contradicts the portrayal of the character in "The Counter-Clock Incident," so either the events of that animated episode didn't happen in continuity (which would've been the Roddenberry/Richard Arnold TNG-era position) or the events didn't happen as portrayed.

Of course, Dr Sarah April was voiced by... Nichelle Nichols.

I'm okay with them contradicting The Counter-Clock Incident to be honest, because I'm a big fan of sense and logic and they also contradict with The Counter-Clock Incident.

Even Alan Dean Foster contradicted major parts of "The Counter-Clock Incident" for his adaptation in "Star Trek Log Seven".

 

[Therin of Andor]

I'm going to have to ask for a citation for this...
But even if it's now considered canon, it's so unimportant to the overall franchise that a change of race for April shouldn't even be on our radar.

TAS was not in the "ST Chronology", nor the "ST Encyclopedia" - by Roddenberry/Arnold decree - but once Filmation was sold off and the ownership rights of everything in their back catalogue was confirmed by the lawyers, it did move back into canon. The novelization of "TNG: Unification" had the first new references to TAS easter eggs and then Trek dot com was permitted to add TAS encyclopedic entries to their officially-licensed website. I recall an announcement on the site of that symbolic change in status.

The ‘90s Batman films had a single continuity, sharing actors/versions of Alfred, Comissioner Gordon, and Dick Grayson/Robin. In spite of this, the three actors portraying Bruce Wayne/Batman don’t particularly resemble one another, and they’re playing the same character regardless of that fact.

And, of course, Billy Dee Williams (Harvey Dent) eventually turned into Tommy Lee Jones (Two-Face).

 

[mattman8907]

Spoiler

So someone who saw the episode at Paley says that not only does Robert April appear but also one George Samuel Kirk aka "Sam". He's a member of the science division and stationed aboard the Enterprise.

 

[Paul755]

say it with me now…Alternate Universe…

 

[DaveyNY]

say it with me now…Alternate Universe…

In your own personal head-canon that's fine, but in the rest of the world, not so much.

 

[Belz...]

In your own personal head-canon that's fine, but in the rest of the world, not so much.

It can help cope with the differences, though. When I watched Enterprise I decided to interpret it as a reboot so as to not be bothered by the inconsistencies with established lore, and it worked fine for me. Now I just consider that First Contact screwed up the timeline.