Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x12 - "Species 10-C"

[Deks]

Vulcans are only touch T's as far as we know, but T'Rina would fit the bill for an ambassador.

As others mentioned, Vulcans have been seen performing remote telepathy too. So, they're not strictly touch telepaths... its the 'mind meld' which usually requires touching and is a more 'intimate act' if you will.
Remote telepathy such as the one used by most telepathic species, allows communications remotely, and potentially reading other people's thoughts. However, the mind melds are different... they are more 'immersive' and probably allows a Vulcan greater context behind understanding an individual's actions and thoughts.

Remember that thoughts can be stray, interpreted in any number of ways... but mind melding merges both minds so you get intimately familiar with each other's thought processes that's not really left for interpretation.
I'd surmise that mind melding is essentially for gaining far greater insight and context into how an individual the vulcan is melding with works.

 

[Vale]

I seem to recall Spock managing to form a remote telepathic bond with a giant cloud made of antimatter, and easily making it understand that eating planets was wrong. It shouldn't be beyond Federation first contact specialists to utilise telepathy in this situation given that the 10-C don't even seem to be particularly exotic by Star Trek standards – they're still made of normal matter, after all.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Best Discovery episode so far imho. Love it. My favorite episode of all seasons so far!

10/10

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

We've seen Vulcans use telepathy in various ways without touch. eg: Spock sensing the destruction of the Intrepid, Sarek making people emotional on the Enterprise. I half remember Tuvok communicating without touch at least once? ...And Spock once made a guard think he got out of his cell without touching him.

But for communication with the 10C? That's the criteria that was brought up, being able to use telepathy in this particular case, if it would even work. It would still be a matter of conveying images and thoughts without a proper context, but it could be another "bridge".

 

[Deks]

But for communication with the 10C? That's the criteria that was brought up, being able to use telepathy in this particular case, if it would even work. It would still be a matter of conveying images and thoughts without a proper context, but it could be another "bridge".

Thing is, telepathy wasn't even suggested as an option for communicating with 10-C

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Thing is, telepathy wasn't even suggested as an option for communicating with 10-C

They did go in with the idea that the UT would be of some help. We obviously don't know if Betazoids or any other strong telepaths are part of the UFP at this point, or if they could get a hold of one before shipping out.

But yeah, it wasn't even mentioned as an option.

 

[Deks]

They did go in with the idea that the UT would be of some help. We obviously don't know if Betazoids or any other strong telepaths are part of the UFP at this point, or if they could get a hold of one before shipping out.

But yeah, it wasn't even mentioned as an option.

You mean, apart from T'Rina who was part of the diplomatic envoy and is 100% Vulcan?
If Spock was able to achieve remote telepathy by being half Vulcan, a 100% Vulcan should have no issue to do the same.

Also, its fairly unlikely that there are no telepaths left in UFP. Some should be in Starfleet or on UFP member planets.... plus they had how many weeks of preparation before leaving for the galactic barrier?

A bit inconsistent if you ask me, but I can let it slide. At the very least, they could have said that T'Rina could not establish telepathic contact due to how dissimilar they may be.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

You mean, apart from T'Rina who was part of the diplomatic envoy and is 100% Vulcan?
If Spock was able to achieve remote telepathy by being half Vulcan, a 100% Vulcan should have no issue to do the same.

Also, its fairly unlikely that there are no telepaths left in UFP. Some should be in Starfleet or on UFP member planets.... plus they had how many weeks of preparation before leaving for the galactic barrier?

A bit inconsistent if you ask me, but I can let it slide. At the very least, they could have said that T'Rina could not establish telepathic contact due to how dissimilar they may be.

With Vulcans, are they all able to do telepathy naturally? There has to be training involved either way. Perhaps T'Rina isn't on the same level as others. Agreed that a line or two of dialog would have been welcome.

 

[Deks]

With Vulcans, are they all able to do telepathy naturally? There has to be training involved either way. Perhaps T'Rina isn't on the same level as others. Agreed that a line or two of dialog would have been welcome.

It is unlikely that T'Rina is not a skilled telepath. Its a natural ability at any rate (the mind meld on the other hand would require some training), and given her position on Ni'Var, I think she WOULD in fact be trained quite extensively in that area.

 

[Jadeb]

Yeah, Book will communicate with Ten-C and 'redeem' himself this way, totally unbelievable for what he has done.

Considering how similar this season has been to TMP, maybe he’ll merge with them, a la Decker, or stay behind so the show avoids needing to deal with the consequences of his actions. (If he doesn’t end up making the big sacrifice to save the day.)

I hope not. I like Book. But they’ve kinda backed themselves into a corner. And I’m not sure his dynamic works with Burnham as captain anyway.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

NASA, incidentally, still quote "at least 100,000 lightyears in diameter" as the standard size for the Milky Way.

That's only for the "Thin Disk" section.

The structure of our Galaxy AKA "The Milky Way" is more than just the "Thin Disk".

The "Thick Disk" envelops the "Thin Disk" with a "Galactic Bulge" around the "Galactic Center" where the large "SMBH" resides.

The "Galactic Halo" envelopes the entire thing.

The side orthographic profile of our Spiral Galaxy looks like this:

NOTE: The image isn't "Too Scale" for obvious reasons.

The current #'s that I have for the size of each part are:

And yes, there are Star Systems in the Thick Disk, they're just less dense in the # of Star Systems that area of space.
Same with Star Systems in the Galactic Halo, the density of the # of Star Systems is even less than the Thick Disk.

You can think of the Galactic Bulge like the "Down Town" of a Giant Metropolis City Area.
The "Thin Disk" would be analogous to massive Suburban Sprawl.
The "Thick Disk" would be closer to a massive Rural area with a large distance between Star Systems that surround Suburbia.
The "Galactic Halo" would be equivalent to the boonies.

 

[fireproof78]

Considering how similar this season has been to TMP, maybe he’ll merge with them, a la Decker, or stay behind so the show avoids needing to deal with the consequences of his actions. (If he doesn’t end up making the big sacrifice to save the day.)

I think so too. I think Book is done after this season.

 

[cultcross]

Both T'Pol and Trip and Sarek and Michael were able to establish long range telepathic contact with each other.

One of the more annoying concepts Trek has done with a species, in my book. Having humanoid species be able to perform instantaneous mental communication across light years apparently without any technological input is... quite remarkable, and yet not remarked upon.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm glad it happened just once on ENT. The fact that nobody explained it is annoying in retrospect but the explanation might have been even more absurd.

 

[Nerys Myk]

One of the more annoying concepts Trek has done with a species, in my book. Having humanoid species be able to perform instantaneous mental communication across light years apparently without any technological input is... quite remarkable, and yet not remarked upon.

The long distance charges are prohibitive.

 

[jackoverfull]

Yahwn.
The glacial pacing keeps on as, as expected, we get bargain encounters of the third kind and meet nagilum-lite, who, as expected, actually have no idea they are doing damage. The incredibly complex language is solved by burnham in a couple of minutes (with the unforeseen “help” of the lesser bridge crew…that actually amounts to not much help: she solves pretty much everything herself) then, as diplomacy is working but not fast enough, the leader of earth decides to commit total betrayal, not even becoming suspicious when book suddenly communicates via text. Tarka has betrayed everyone and is about to destroy everything…big surprise! And Reno is enhancing a communicator with liquorice. Really. Meanwhile the sentient computer notices that something is “wrong”, runs every possible diagnostic, even goes into therapy again, but doesn’t notice that one of her top engineer has been in the same exact location for hours, doing nothing. The most intelligent man on the ship has been looking for said engineer all along but forgot they have communicators.


All with really bland effects and abysmal camerawork (does EVERY shot need to be taken with a handycam today?).


A six, but just because there was nothing really THAT terrible. Incidentally, “nothing” is a good definition for most of season 4.


Oh well, the shouting was kinda fun. The “great minds think alike” was really cringe, though”.

 

[NCC-73515]

I suspect Book with his empathic abilities may contribute in communication with 10C.

His forehead has glowing spots, maybe he can make them blink in molecular patterns

I seem to recall Spock managing to form a remote telepathic bond with a giant cloud made of antimatter, and easily making it understand that eating planets was wrong. It shouldn't be beyond Federation first contact specialists to utilise telepathy in this situation given that the 10-C don't even seem to be particularly exotic by Star Trek standards – they're still made of normal matter, after all.

This whole season reminds me of that episode, one of the few good ones

 

[arch101]

I think so too. I think Book is done after this season.

I believe so, also. I really like the character, but the Feds will NEVER trust him or let him into headquarters ever again. Maybe he'll become a recurring character but he shouldn't be let back into the inner circle after what he's done. Decisions like his should have consequences.

 

[Vale]

But for communication with the 10C? That's the criteria that was brought up, being able to use telepathy in this particular case, if it would even work. It would still be a matter of conveying images and thoughts without a proper context, but it could be another "bridge".

The antimatter cloud in TAS: "One of Our Planets is Missing" hardly has context when dealing with humanoids; telepathy itself provided the context. The problem is that they never even considered it in the case of the 10-C because "they're more alien than anything else we've ever encountered", even though they're really not, and that feels like a contrivance.

 

[Tosk]

One of the more annoying concepts Trek has done with a species, in my book. Having humanoid species be able to perform instantaneous mental communication across light years apparently without any technological input is... quite remarkable, and yet not remarked upon.

I guess in a universe where telepathy is such an accepted and normal thing, giving it a long distance aspect doesn't seem like too much of a stretch. I often wonder why (seemingly) no one has devoted much time to blocking telepaths. We know they can detect telepathy, so you'd think someone would try their best to negate it.