Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x12 - "Species 10-C"

[BigJake]

DSC's the only instance where I've had a sharp disagreement with what looks like the consensus.

Outside of spaces inhabited by the most obsessive sliver of Trek fandom (like this one -- just a fact, not a diss) the consensus about DSC appears largely positive in this as in any other season, save of course for the international distribution snafu. A lot of the angst that happens on Trek boards and groups is out of touch with how the general public views the show.

I'd go so far as to put DSC generally in The Wrath of Khan territory as this kind of disconnect goes. (And AFAICS much of it has little consistency with the fan consensus about what otherwise constitutes good Trek or good storytelling.)

 

[Lord Garth]

Outside of spaces inhabited by the most obsessive sliver of Trek fandom (like this one -- just a fact, not a diss)

No, don't worry, it's fine. I'm one of the first members of this board and I agree with you. I'm really talking about how I'm having a disconnect with circles like these.

Anyway, two weeks ago I mentioned Discovery in a Facebook post and I found out that more of my friends, as in actual friends I've known IRL since college, watch and like DSC than I thought.

 

[fireproof78]

Outside of spaces inhabited by the most obsessive sliver of Trek fandom (like this one -- just a fact, not a diss) the consensus about DSC appears largely positive in this as in any other season, save of course for the international distribution snafu. A lot of the angst that happens on Trek boards and groups is out of touch with how the general public views the show.

I'd go so far as to put DSC generally in The Wrath of Khan territory as this kind of disconnect goes. (And AFAICS much of it has little consistency with the fan consensus about what otherwise constitutes good Trek or good storytelling.)

Yeah. It's just a fascinating little psychological experiment to see those disconnects happen in real time. It goes back to my general theory that what people regard as "Star Trek" is actually a pretty nebulous term. "Good Star Trek" is even more so, and at this point in time I feel largely disconnected from the rest of the fan base.

 

[BigJake]

At any rate: gave this one a 9.

Spoiler

This is first-contact storytelling and problem-solving as Trek has seldom done it, and the interactions with Species 10-C were very cool. The added tension from Tarka's plotting -- and Reno's final exposure for Book of just how insane and reckless it all is -- brought welcome excitement and sets up a potentially thrilling final act. Just about everything they set up throughout the season seems to pay off pretty beautifully here.

It is a bit weird that it took the crew so long to notice that Reno was gone (and though they explicitly try to address how stupid everyone feels when they finally do, it's... still a bit weird), and I'm not sure I 100% buy how it could just not have occurred to the 10-C that there might be life in the Milky Way Galaxy (unless they thought nothing could live beyond the Galactic Barrier or something). So I can't give it a full 10. But everything else is so amazingly cool that those are relatively minor drawbacks.

 

[BigJake]

at this point in time I feel largely disconnected from the rest of the fan base.

Often it's about who's the most vocal. I mean, three-quarters of the votes on this poll rate the episode 8 or up. Which isn't out of line for a season four episode. It's just most of those voters aren't the people you'll find complaining in the thread about whatever unpardonable sin the show is lately supposed to have committed. *shrug*

 

[Char Kais]

In S01E03 engineering test bay alpha was on the port side of Discovery, the main entrance door was oriented towards the stern.
In S04E12 engineering test bay alpha is on the starboard side of Discovery, the main entrance door is oriented towards the bow.

That is one heck of a "refit".
Or should I say "continuity error"?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I just watched both scenes and in S01E03 the room is unambigously on the port side and it seems like the door is facing to port. In S04E12 the camera is pointing up too long for us to know what side of the ship it flew out of and the door looks like it's facing the port side again.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

In S01E03 engineering test bay alpha was on the port side of Discovery, the main entrance door was oriented towards the stern.
In S04E12 engineering test bay alpha is on the starboard side of Discovery, the main entrance door is oriented towards the bow.

That is one heck of a "refit".
Or should I say "continuity error"?

And in TNG entire corridors, doors, computers, and wall panels in engineering would be swapped out from episode to episode and sometimes even mid-episode. So what? It's the realities of television production. Did it impact the quality of the show at all?

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/why-was-engineering-walled-off.310664/

 

[cooleddie74]

But Discovery's also been heavily overhauled in many respects following her arrival in the late 32nd century. Maybe the test bay is now on the other side of the stardrive section? I mean, she was radically altered in configuration after she left the 23rd century.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But Discovery's also been heavily overhauled in many respects following her arrival in the late 32nd century. Maybe the test bay is now on the other side of the stardrive section? I mean, she was radically altered in configuration after she left the 23rd century.

Programable Matter. It can be anywhere!!!!

 

[cooleddie74]

I mean, the inside of the ship after arriving in 3189 was a damn TARDIS. I think we can swallow a test bay being in a different location from 930-odd years before.

 

[Crusher Disciple]

Why not both?
, I really liked when Burnham shared her insight with Saru about how Vulcans behave in public to those they do care about emotionally.)

I've started calling Burnam The Vulcan Whisperer.

 

[fireproof78]

I mean, the inside of the ship after arriving in 3189 was a damn TARDIS. I think we can swallow a test bay being in a different location from 930-odd years before.

And the Enterprise has 87 decks. I'm good.

 

[SJGardner]

Don't forget the 24-deck Enterprise-E having a 29th deck with a bottomless pit underneath.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Don't forget the 24-deck Enterprise-E having a 29th deck with a bottomless pit underneath.

Those five basements don't count.

 

[cooleddie74]

One's a holographic bowling alley.

 

[jackoverfull]

Don't forget the 24-deck Enterprise-E having a 29th deck with a bottomless pit underneath.

the bottomless pit seems strange because of bad editing: they actually fight many decks up, as can be noticed reading the marks on the set pieces.

As for the number of decks, the ship visibly got refitted since first contact…but I’ll just leave it quoting Shax: “do we even have that many”?

 

[Vale]

As for the number of decks, the ship visibly got refitted since first contact…but I’ll just leave it quoting Shax: “do we even have that many”?

To be fair they got the number of decks wrong during First Contact as well (Picard states it has 24 decks; later we're told the Borg control deck 26. Maybe the Borg did a lot of assimilation and built a lot of external structures really quickly...).

I believe the Nemesis deck issue was because the writers assumed the Enterprise-E was roughly the same size as the Enterprise-D. Like the "deck 78" issue in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, I just ignore it and assume they were higher up in the ship. In fact like Star Trek V I tend to pretend that Nemesis didn't exist at all... my biggest problem with Picard is that I can no longer ignore that movie from my personal headcanon!

 

[jackoverfull]

Nemesis wasn't by far a great movie, but at least it didn't bring huge continuity issues. STV is in some way more enjoyable but forces huge leaps to make any sense of it.

 

[cooleddie74]

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