Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x12 - "Species 10-C"

[Deks]

There's a vast difference between being able to control an anomaly 5 light years across and being able to control one that's 100,000 light years across. Being able to control and power something from outside the galaxy doesn't automatically mean that you're a Type III civilisation and more than our being able to run power grids between continents today means we're a Type I civilisation. In fact if anything the fact that the 10-C still need to conduct localised mining for necessary resources means they can't be a Type III civilisation.

Ah, but we're not talking about controling an anomaly 100 000 Ly's in size (btw, our galaxy is estimated to be now twice as big as that).
The DMA has a size of 5 Ly's. The 100 000 Ly's reference would be in creating Dyson Swarms around each and every star in the galaxy (and as such having the power of a Galaxy at your disposal)... which is an entirely different thing.
He was suggesting that a Type III civilization would have the necessary energy to create the DMA the size of 5Ly's, control it, and maintain an open wormhole to power it.

Its possible that making something larger than 5Ly's could demonstrate to be very hazzardous to the local environment though... so its possible that 10-C intentionally made the DMA the size of 5Ly's to encircle large enough amount of space, but small enough to not necessarily pose a threat to potential sentient life (but that would go contrary to what we saw in the Milky Way of its behavior... is it possible that they focused the DMA initially towards nebulae and similar phenomena and that star systems were their last resort (but that they simply didn't detect anything they would think of 'sentient'?).

 

[shapeshifter]

Or, they split the season in 2 or 3 story arcs.
Depending on the number of episodes per season... lets say 12... 4 or 6 episodes per story arc provides a good amount of time to flesh stuff out in detail and do it justice (depending on the story) and a common theme going forward that connects it all.

Basically, ENT did that in its 4th season and it was doing well what with the foreshadowing of the Earth-Romulan war.

I could live with that, mostly. I remember wishing a few of the better stories from ENT season 4 would have had another episode or two added, but they had big time time constraints. Now, they could let the story being told dictate the time needed to properly tell it.

I remember one of the DISC producers, speaking of being in the future, said it was opening many story options. So rapid fire a couple, or few seasons of short arcs to really open up this time, providing answers to questions we have over a wide spectrum of topics concerning it.

 

[Vale]

Ah, but we're not talking about controling an anomaly 100 000 Ly's in size (btw, our galaxy is estimated to be now twice as big as that).

Potentially, sure. About the only thing we know for sure is that the visible stellar disc is at least 100,000 lightyears in diameter; possibly 120,000 or 150,000; almost certainly less than 200,000. But if we include the dark matter halo and those odd visible stars that are orbiting at extreme distance, the overall size is around 1.9 million light years in diameter. NASA, incidentally, still quote "at least 100,000 lightyears in diameter" as the standard size for the Milky Way.

 

[XCV330]

I used to think how horrible it would be for a species like ours orbiting a far flung star on the edge of the galaxy or even outside the galaxy altogether to get close to developing radio telescopes and spaceflight that outside of this one star system, your species was forever alone.

 

[Finn]

Screencaps gallery now online...

https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/sc-DSC4-12.php

Is it time for a caption it contest? Discovery definitely has enough material now, and Leadhead hasn't been posting for nearly a year now.

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

Now that I think of it, has anybody suggested (or explained why it wouldn't be feasible) to use a telepathic species to attempt contact? A Medusan or Betazoid perhaps?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Now that I think of it, has anybody suggested (or explained why it wouldn't be feasible) to use a telepathic species to attempt contact? A Medusan or Betazoid perhaps?

I have the sense, if none of the characters buy the farm somewhere along the line, that Rillak, T-Rina and/or Saru might stay with the 10C to further learn about them. Vulcans are only touch T's as far as we know, but T'Rina would fit the bill for an ambassador.

 

[Markonian]

I have the sense, if none of the characters buy the farm somewhere along the line, that Rillak, T-Rina and/or Saru might stay with the 10C to further learn about them. Vulcans are only touch T's as far as we know, but T'Rina would fit the bill for an ambassador.

Would it not be selfish for the newly-minted Federation president to abandon her post permanently? Especially when the union is fragile as never before.

Similarly, Ni'Var is still searching for its own balance among it's now diverse populace. I'm sure the Ni'Varans could find literally anybody else instead of parking their own president with some random aliens. Besides, it would hamper T'Sarina's budding relationship.

They can leave leave Doctor Hirai behind, and maybe Tarka for penance.

Concerning Saru, I really wonder how TPTB can keep him around aboard Discovery while he's captain. I'd love if he'd become the new captain of Voyager-J, but how would he then be contrived into appearing in every episode? So far, television Trek has always shied away from having two hero ships in one show.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Would it not be selfish for the newly-minted Federation president to abandon her post permanently? Especially when the union is fragile as never before.

Similarly, Ni'Var is still searching for its own balance among it's now diverse populace. I'm sure the Ni'Varans could find literally anybody else instead of parking their own president with some random aliens. Besides, it would hamper T'Sarina's budding relationship.

They can leave leave Doctor Hirai behind, and maybe Tarka for penance.

Concerning Saru, I really wonder how TPTB can keep him around aboard Discovery while he's captain. I'd love if he'd become the new captain of Voyager-J, but how would he then be contrived into appearing in every episode? So far, television Trek has always shied away from having two hero ships in one show.

Rillak made a point of saying she was a leading diplomat when she joined the mission. It might be just like them to tease a T'Rina - Saru relationship, then dash our hopes by having her stay with the 10C for a while.

Agreed that Saru should Captain his own ship, if not be made a Commodore (if they're using that rank in the 3100's) or the Admiral equivalent.

 

[Noname Given]

Now that I think of it, has anybody suggested (or explained why it wouldn't be feasible) to use a telepathic species to attempt contact? A Medusan or Betazoid perhaps?

They had stated that because of the structure of the brain that they found when they scanned one of the 10-C 'diplomats' outside the shp, a universal translator wouldn't work. If the UT won't work because of their brain structure, a member of a telepathic species of the Federation most likely wouldn't work either.

And biological telepathy isn't infallible as remember, Betazeds you can't read Ferengi minds.

So no, in this situation Telepathy isn't a Magic Bullet.

 

[Finn]

When did UT have to do anything with brain structure?


A Medusan might work. I don't think Betazoids would since they are humanoids.

 

[Turtletrekker]

When did UT have to do anything with brain structure?

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"It operates by scanning brain-wave frequencies and uses the results to form a basis for translation."

https://www.startrek.com/database_article/universal-translator

 

[Finn]

Is. It. Canon.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I love this whole thing about communicating with a totally alien intelligence and this whole thing where the moment they managed to tell 10C what they were doing to them the unauthorized secondary plan gets launched. This seems like what Trek was meant to be. Like Silicon Avatar only with a stronger smarter entity.

But why is this not episode four?!

 

[Uhura's Song]

Now that I think of it, has anybody suggested (or explained why it wouldn't be feasible) to use a telepathic species to attempt contact? A Medusan or Betazoid perhaps?

It is smart and would ruin the plot.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Is. It. Canon.

Yes.






From Star Trek the Original Series, "Metamorphosis".

Cochrane: "What's the theory behind this device?"

Kirk: "There are certain concepts and ideas that are Universal to all intelligent forms of life. This device instantly compares the frequency of brain wave patterns, selects the ideas and concepts that it recognizes, and then provides the necessary grammar."

 

[Tosk]

Vulcans are only touch T's as far as we know

We've seen Vulcans use telepathy in various ways without touch. eg: Spock sensing the destruction of the Intrepid, Sarek making people emotional on the Enterprise. I half remember Tuvok communicating without touch at least once? ...And Spock once made a guard think he got out of his cell without touching him.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Both T'Pol and Trip and Sarek and Michael were able to establish long range telepathic contact with each other.

 

[Cyrus]

Now that I think of it, has anybody suggested (or explained why it wouldn't be feasible) to use a telepathic species to attempt contact? A Medusan or Betazoid perhaps?

I suspect Book with his empathic abilities may contribute in communication with 10C.

 

[Visitor1982]

Yeah, Book will communicate with Ten-C and 'redeem' himself this way, totally unbelievable for what he has done.