Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x08 - "All In"

[Mr. Laser Beam]

They used to say the same about commander Nhan, though…

Nhan is definitely coming back. There have been pictures of her in a 32nd-century Starfleet uniform (and breather).

 

[jackoverfull]

Nhan is definitely coming back. There have been pictures of her in a 32nd-century Starfleet uniform (and breather).

ok, but they used to say she would be the cavalry over the hill at the season 3 finale.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

For what it's worth Kirk in TOS routinely used seduction and humor to obtain the information and tech he needed and only resorted to throwing punches and blowing things up if he were forced to.

Burnham has a lot of Kirk like qualities as much as she does Spock ones. And I relish anytime the writers play into SMG's charm and give Burnham some Kirk sparkle, like in this episode.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

My prediction is that Gray and Adira will come back at the end of the season and save the day somehow. There's no way they just "wrote them out" of the show.

I didn't get the impression that Adira's gone anywhere. Unless I missed or misinterpreted something they're still on the ship as a main character and that means Gray's always got an excuse to come back.

 

[shapeshifter]

Grrr. Very weak episode to come back from hiatus for. Hardly worth the wait, and having fallen asleep at the card game a very generous 7 is best I can do for this one.

I adore DISC but I am spoiled on PRODY's fantastic story crafting.

 

[Vger23]

I didn't get the impression that Adira's gone anywhere. Unless I missed or misinterpreted something they're still on the ship as a main character and that means Gray's always got an excuse to come back.

No, they both left a few episodes ago, very similarly to how Tilly "exited..." kind of under an umbrella of "we're leaving, but we'll be back on occasion."

 

[Cyrus]

No, they both left a few episodes ago, very similarly to how Tilly "exited..." kind of under an umbrella of "we're leaving, but we'll be back on occasion."

My impression was that only Gray left to go back to Trill. Adira left temporarily to help him settle down but will be back.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Are Adira and Grey going to end up on the Tilly show?

Or are they gone?

Neither character was really explored... RETREADING over Dax shit and Data shit.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Seems to suggest there were extensive reshoots due to something not working out, no?

Pre-COVID, ‪‪I would think it would indicate reshoots, but because of COVID health and safety compliance precautions ‪‪multiple directors in charge of separate filming “pods” could have been implemented to save time.

No, they both left a few episodes ago, very similarly to how Tilly "exited..." kind of under an umbrella of "we're leaving, but we'll be back on occasion."

My impression was that only Gray left to go back to Trill. Adira left temporarily to help him settle down but will be back.

Adira was only going to help Gray with the return to Trill.

When Gray asked Adira to come along to Trill they said:

Discovery's my home.

And after agreeing to go with, said:

Discovery can spare me for a few days while I get you settled.

So they’re meant to be coming back soon/have come already, and are in multiple shots in the trailer for the back half of season 4, including one with Culber and Stamets, and one with Reno.

 

[Noname Given]

Oh so there was actually a partner? That makes more sense. I thought the twist was that the Changeling was both the people they thought were working together.

Yeah that's what I thought it boiled down to. At first I thought the blinking was a form of communication between two partners, but in the end they realized it was a 'tell'.

 

[Mr Awe]

All I'm going to say is: if Book is back on Discovery at the end of the season, how they get there better be damn good. As it is, it looks he'll be written out of the show. Every time Burnham gave Book an "out" during this episode, he doubled-down.

He's committed to what he's doing, for reasons that are perfectly understandable but indisputably put him at odds with the Federation.

Either that or it turns out that Book's actions are helpful in the end. Not that going out and attacking 10C will be good, but perhaps in the preparation or attempted execution of that plan he learns something valuable that they wouldn't have learned otherwise. Presumably, what he learns would change his mind and he reports back to Burnham.

I can see potential ways he gets to stay. Not sure if that's what they'll do.

As I wrote earlier in this thread, I actually think Zora might be written out as she agrees to pilot the DMA around to mine safely for 10C. But book might be back. We'll see.

 

[Vger23]

I’d be fine with seeing Book go. I like how this season has sort of whittled the cast down a bit. DSC has never done a great job showcasing a larger set of characters across a season. They may be better served to focus on the core group with “pop ins” by others.

 

[Sci]

Probably their reimagining of it. They like to change things here for no reason.

So the Great Link is just a desert now? XD

Perhaps it was a chameloid or an allasomorph.

Yeah, I think they meant "changeling" as a generic term for shapeshifting species, not "Changeling" as in the Founders of the Dominion. The Founders were never part of the humanoid economy; even their "rogue" members like Odo and Laas don't seem to have the kinds of biological needs that humanoids have and therefore lack reason to participate in economic activity.

Yeah, it's his business, but it comes across as real phony "me too" tears. How does he identify with LGBTQetc... ? It made no sense.

Why does having empathy for other people make no sense to you?

A couple of times Wil Wheaton really does look like he's about to lose it. If it's genuine, I don't know. It's one thing to be enthusiastic, but I'm surprised. I didn't think a TV show would be able to touch anyone that emotionally.

Some people just get really emotionally invested in stories they like. My fiancee is often much more affected by films, TV shows, or novels than I am. They can move her, or bother her, on a level I can only rarely be as moved or upset by.

I love Disccovery, but it's not Interstellar... or the end of Titanic. What? Don't look at me like that! You cried too. Anyway, I'll be right over there!

He identified with Tilly trying to get validation from her parents.

Something I can't agree with them on (that ship sailed during my teens and 20s), but it matters to a lot of people.

Wheaton has been very open about having been the victim of profound emotional abuse from his parents as a child and teenager, and very open about how he tried, in vain, for many years to earn their love before concluding that nothing he could ever do would be enough for them. So, yeah, I think that's a theme that speaks to him very deeply.

1000%

I mean, I don't get where this aversion to emotions comes from in some spaces in fandom. I was brought up in a pretty "tough guy" environment, and I did stereotypical "tough guy" things all through life (played football into college, for example, which is considered a pretty meathead thing to do by many), and I have no issue with tears or open emotionalism in drama or in real life. Passion is a beautiful thing sometimes. Let people show it!

It's geekdom's version of toxic masculinity.

Seems to suggest there were extensive reshoots due to something not working out, no?

As others have noted, I think it is more likely to have been a result of COVID-19 procedures.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Burnham has a lot of Kirk like qualities as much as she does Spock ones. And I relish anytime the writers play into SMG's charm and give Burnham some Kirk sparkle, like in this episode.

Many of the changes Burnham’s gone through since the beginning of the series (and especially since coming to the future) have really brought out the part of her that overlaps with Kirk on their Venn Diagram.

‪‪It can be particularly fun to see her in the Captain’s chair when she’s got that kind of energy.

 

[cooleddie74]

32nd century Captain Burnham was the best thing to happen to the character's evolution.

 

[fireproof78]

If only it wasn't the 32nd century.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah, I think they meant "changeling" as a generic term for shapeshifting species, not "Changeling" as in the Founders of the Dominion. The Founders were never part of the humanoid economy; even their "rogue" members like Odo and Laas don't seem to have the kinds of biological needs that humanoids have and therefore lack reason to participate in economic activity.

It’s been 800 years since DS9, a lot of things can change, especially with Odo’s involvement.

She was intended to be a DS9 changeling, they even had the same makeup at the end.

 

[dinzy]

It’s been 800 years since DS9, a lot of things can change, especially with Odo’s involvement.

She was intended to be a DS9 changeling, they even had the same makeup at the end.

Agreed. Also it was 800 years with the burn in there for the last chunk of it. They could have very easily shifted politically and behaviorally. At the very least, I am sure they sent people out to spy again.

 

[SJGardner]

They were obviously a changeling senior citizen, enjoying their first holiday after they retired from their cushy infiltration job at the legal minimum age of 750. Founders get dehydrated with old age just like us. /jk

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

The changeling was just a glorified "ooh, wouldn't it be cool if" easter egg. It doesn't make sense given anything we actually know about changelings. They should have gone with a chameloid.