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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x05 - "Die Trying"

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i'm sorry but who give a damn about them at this point it's clear they just want to nitpick everything to death like their shuttle ''meltdown'' video

I find they take extreme pride in being wrong on just about everything. It's quite bizarre. I've practically stopped watching them at this point. It's not a positive/negative thing, it's about nitpicking to the point of exhaustion coupled with the realisation that, more often than not, they are just plain wrong on their basis for that nitpicking. Yeah, I've wasted enough time on them.
 
I find they take extreme pride in being wrong on just about everything. It's quite bizarre. I've practically stopped watching them at this point. It's not a positive/negative thing, it's about nitpicking to the point of exhaustion coupled with the realisation they are just plain wrong on their basis for the nitpicking quite often. Yeah, I've wasted enough time on them.
Just watched that clip and I cant see how they are wrong on this one
 
Neutronium is not a technology available to Starfleet even in the 2370s. It was apparently only a theoretical possibility in 2258 (thanks, Discovery), encountered (for the first time?) in 2267 via the extragalactic, super-advanced planet killer, then in 2369 on the super-advanced, mysterious Dyson Sphere from an unknown culture. The Iconians, per DS9, also used neutronium, and the Think Tank in Voyager had a neutronium ship, which impressed those guys in the late 2370s.

The use by the Dominion and to a lesser extent the Vidiians doesn't really offset the previous notion of it being only available to super-races. Both the cultures were presented as more advanced (perhaps by a century or so) than the Federation, albeit the Vidiians had devolved due to plague and the Dominion were a totalitarian government that likely took the technology from those they conquered. The Borg, despite having assimilated some Vidiians, did not apparently have access to neutronium in 2376, per the Think Tank episode.

It's very possible that the Federation gained access to neutronium alloy technology at the peace talks with the Dominion in 2375.

I DID say that Neutronium was theorized by Federation science in 2258 per Disco's admission in this episode.
My point was that even after encountering a planet killer made of solid Neutronium (which Starfleet managed to disable) mere 10 years after Discovery departed, the 24th century Federation still didn't have the ability to create its own Neutronium or affect it with conventional weapons (which is a huge stretch).

You'd think that by the time Voyager launched, at least weapons and shields (not to mention sensors) would have been adjusted in 100 years of study of Neutronium from a machine which was laced with it so they could disrupt it (or affect it) severely, and every other scientific area would benefit from it... and by early/mid 25th century, Starfleet should have had the ability to make Neutronium based hulls themselves.
Even without the Planet Killer in their possession, they would likely evolve to the point of synthesizing Neutronium in smaller amounts by late 24th century (say microscopic amounts that could be mixed with other available materials such as Duranium and Tritanium to radically enhance their properties - a synthetic composite of 3 materials).

For a combination of over 150 alien species working together without monetary constraints, progress was described as incremental at best (which is preposterous) - but we know the writers do this intentionally because their extrapolation of technology for Trek is... limited.
Heck, scifi writers seldom (if ever) incorporate the notion that science and technology evolve exponentially, because most people (including the writers) think in a linear fashion.
 
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That seedling ship was very small. I wonder if it had Tardis tech being bigger on the inside. That would be a thing now.
Also that line about the Mirror universe being easy to access because it was the “closest” was something that came out of the Shatnerverse books. That was a neat reference. Makes you wonder if they’ll go with the Borg theory as to why the Mirror universe came to be but I doubt it with that “genetic defect” line. Something I wasn’t a fan of.

Well, we know things can be stored in a transporter buffer for a very long time.
Keeping seeds in transporter suspension indefinitely (for example) by the 32nd century (along with probably humanoids) would likely be really simple.
 
Well, we know things can be stored in a transporter buffer for a very long time.
Keeping seeds in transporter suspension indefinitely (for example) by the 32nd century (along with probably humanoids) would likely be really simple.


I'd wager you could build a whole ship around transporter tech, everything is stored in a giant buffer including the crew and they can move about, and are conscious. It would be like a cross between a buffer and holodeck. The ship would only need a few other systems to run.
 
Watched it again and noticed something new:
32nd century badges are so weak they can be destroyed by stepping on them XD

I strangely got a Star Trek Motion Picture vibe from some of those shots...

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...for example. Not that I mind, and it's probably just in my mind... :p

That's WOK though :p
 
Watched it again and noticed something new:
32nd century badges are so weak they can be destroyed by stepping on them XD

I know. You'd think that Starfleet would have build commbadges even in the 24th century that are impossible to break by stepping on them or just dropping them.

That would have worked actually... to have Georgiou TRY to break the badge by stepping on it (or any other method), only to discover that she cant.
 
Maybe 23rd century Terran boot heels are super strong. But then again, just the act of running in them might damage decks ;)

You'd actually expect future footwear and clothing to be made from superior synthetic materials which would be virtually unbreakable and provide good force... but here's the crutch: 23rd century vs 32nd century... so 32nd century wins either way.

It would't even be a contest if it was 23rd vs 24th really... as the 24th would be made with superior materials.

P.S. There's no reason to think that Georgiou would have kept using boots she was wearing in the Mirror Universe. Section 31 probably gave her new clothes entirely... ones that are similarly/same strong.
 
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great episode.
couple things
1. Nahn... when did they make first contact with the Barzans. To the point that individuals joined star fleet? non member worlds needs a sponsor. Is this in a bio somewhere on the character? Couldn't find a distance reference from earth to barzan.
2. do you guys think this season wouldve been wicked good had it focused maybe on the borg conquering most of the alpha quadrant? rather than this burn nonsense?
 
2. do you guys think this season wouldve been wicked good had it focused maybe on the borg conquering most of the alpha quadrant? rather than this burn nonsense?

No. People would be upset at what it meant about the Federation for one thing But more importantly, Voyager already did the skulking around Borg space thing.
 
great episode.
couple things
1. Nahn... when did they make first contact with the Barzans. To the point that individuals joined star fleet? non member worlds needs a sponsor. Is this in a bio somewhere on the character? Couldn't find a distance reference from earth to barzan.
2. do you guys think this season wouldve been wicked good had it focused maybe on the borg conquering most of the alpha quadrant? rather than this burn nonsense?

The Borg concept has been severely overplayed, so I’m glad they didn’t go there.
 
The idea the Discovery crew would jump 900 years AND be allowed to stay together is a real stretch. Do we really think Captain Bateson and his ship were left untouched to serve in Picard's era?
It's not that much of a stretch if you consider the following:

- It does have a unique piece of technology that was never developed at all by anyone else in the federation in the 930 years since the ship was last seen. (IE - no one else really knows how that technology works or how to use it.)

- To get the 23rd century Discovery crew up to speed would take probably at least a year or more of retraining.

- The ship is an anachronism. A 32nd century crew would take a lot of retraining on how to use its systems; And again with the spore drive and what it can do, they would want and need to keep the ship efficiently operational; and retraining people who were only familiar with 32nd century technology to use The ship's 23rd century systems, would take as long as retraining the 23rd century crew to use 32nd century technology; And would most likely require the aid of members of the Discovery crew.

Given all that what makes the least senses just trying to break them up and put them into the pool of available crewmen for Federation missions in the 32nd century.
 
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Nahn... when did they make first contact with the Barzans. To the point that individuals joined star fleet? non member worlds needs a sponsor. Is this in a bio somewhere on the character?

No, we don't know exactly how or why Nhan even managed to leave Barzan in the first place (especially since at that time, Barzan didn't even have spaceflight capability), let alone actually secure a sponsor* and enter Starfleet Academy. Her early life is a complete unknown.

*I realize I have no canon information to back this up but I am getting the distinct vibe that Nhan's Academy sponsor was Pike.
 
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