Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x05 - "Die Trying"
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Here's the thing, she is the star. No quotes needed. As such she'll get most of the "big hero moments". Just like Picard, Kirk Sisko and the others did in the past and the next star will in the future.
And rightly so.
why didn’t they in tng? By tmp most people didn’t need glasses, and by tng geordi had an enhanced visor, that made him not only not blind, but see in different spectrums, you’re seriously asking “why aren’t they augmented?” Now?
Yeah burnham is the focus of the show but all the characters got stuff to do. Tilly, stamets and reno figured out all the sciency stuff and put lieutenant willa in her place, detmer is the character being used to explore the crews ptsd, saru continues to excel as captain and is calling out burnham on her weaknesses and culber is front and centre being a doctor/counsellor.
And a nod to "Janeway".
I like to think that the Enterprise-J we saw is also in the prime universe. Different timelines have had the same ships.
I also liked that there was a USS Nog.
I wonder if we'll ever learn about all of Nog's Starfleet accomplishments.
I wonder if we'll ever learn about all of Nog's Starfleet accomplishments.
It would be a better show with no "star." Or star. Depending on the ep, diff people step up and step in. Like Nhan near the end of S2 who did what needed doing. This time, Nhan was benched for the star reliever. As was Culber in the ep prior.
There are plenty of episodes of earlier Trek iterations where the captain is gone or doesn't play the savior/fixer. It doesn't always have to be the star.
Be well.
There are plenty of episodes of earlier Trek iterations where the captain is gone or doesn't play the savior/fixer. It doesn't always have to be the star.
Be well.
The no star thing isn't gonna happen, no matter how hard you beat that drum.
+1
I honestly can’t believe people are still perplexed by / bitching about this fact 3 years later. SMG is the star of the fucking show. Michael Burnham is the main character. There isn’t anything else to it. It’s not going to change. It’s borderline obtuse for people to be flummoxed by it this at this point.
I'm pretty sure if it was a different character doing the exact same things, we wouldn't hear a peep.
Archer saved Earth as well as the entire Federation from never existing. Dude also made gazelles a household word in the sci-fi community. I don't remember people complaining about his heroics and "star" status.
I'm pretty sure if it was a different character doing the exact same things, we wouldn't hear a peep.
It’s crazy. It would be like complaining “That show 24 would be better if it wasn’t for Kiefer Sutherland and that Jack Bauer character always doing everything”
Yeah, this has been my biggest problem with the season so far. I'm not saying they need to be so different that it takes away from the quality of the story, but aside from the Programmable Matter, the tech only seems marginally more advanced than 24th century. You could say The Burn caused a regression, but there's no implication things used to be much more advanced.
I'd love to go back to 1987. The music was better, the movies were better... and I could've seen how people reacted to TNG when it jumped a century ahead. It too didn't represent 100 more years' worth of advancement.
The issue is this: the writers of DSC wanted to set the new season passed everything we'd ever seen, but if they made things too advanced it would go beyond anything that would be thought of as recognizably Star Trek.
I think some people don't quite realize that what they want would make the show not worth watching at all. Technology solves everything, we understand none of it, and no one has problems because everything can be solved with a snap of a finger. Literally. The show that you guys want is a show that I want no part of at all.
Bottom Line: There needed to be setbacks and plateaus needed to be reached to even make jumping 930 years watchable.
The issue is this: the writers of DSC wanted to set the new season passed everything we'd ever seen, but if they made things too advanced it would go beyond anything that would be thought of as recognizably Star Trek.
I think some people don't quite realize that what they want would make the show not worth watching at all. Technology solves everything, we understand none of it, and no one has problems because everything can be solved with a snap of a finger. Literally. The show that you guys want is a show that I want no part of at all.
Bottom Line: There needed to be setbacks and plateaus needed to be reached to even make jumping 930 years watchable.
Or maybe Science and technology don't evolve exponentially forever. There are periods where we run into diminishing returns and hit walls.
I look at the Computer industry and we've hit all sorts of walls that we need to invent or use other methods to improve on performance. You can't just improve the same level of tech indefinitely without running into real significant barriers.
And I've seen that apply to many industries and fields, not just Computers.
Be it Aviation, Automotive, Boats, Weapon technology, etc.
There are points in time where you run into severe walls / very low return on R&D that you've got most RoI out of the technology you currently have. To make the next big step in progress, you have to start a new branch of research in other fields to get real technological improvements. And that doesn't always happen right away or there are technological dependencies.
And sometimes those things don't occur for quite a while.
Let's take the concept of Powered Flight.
Humanity has been chasing the concept of Mechanically powered flight since we were able to see birds fly, but only relatively recently with the official first flight of the "Wright Brothers" in Kitty Hawk did it start a revolution that benefits us to this very day. But we're also running into limits / walls / & difficulties in improving past certain points within that field alone unless something fundamental and radical changes.
You keep blabing about everything magically growing exponentially, but the reality is that certain fields of technology do run into walls until other tech is discovered or invented, and that can last a while.
Take the concept of the Helicopter, the basic idea of spinning two or more rectangular air foils for lift has been around the human culture since ancient Chinese times with that basic toy that many of us Asian kids had when we were little. But only relatively recently in human history has Helicopters become a thing. Right now we're innovating within the Helicopter Field, but we are running into certain barriers but improving past it by developing new technology and new ways to fly and land vertically.
So don't be surprised if the UFP doesn't get it's hand on manufacturing Neutronium capabilities until post 24th century.
You’re mistaken, @Lord Garth
They know damn well that the show would be ridiculous, unmanageable and unenjoyable if what they were griping about regarding technology was “solved.”
Believe me. They know.
But that is not the point. And it almost never is.
Yes, this. There's a temptation when one consumes science fiction to really rail hard against scientific and social improbabilities like 1000 years in the future being so recognizable to 23rd (and 21st!) century people. But it's not science, it's science fiction, which is written by people in a certain technological and social context to be consumed by people in that same context.
What I find sad is the decline of the really far-out short science fiction genre. "A Subway Named Mobius," anyone?
It's kind of like it's not as realistic as a drunkard who listens to really old music (and probably does hard drugs since he's in his 30s but looks like he's in his 50s) breaking the light barrier in about 42 or 43 years and then being immediately contacted by aliens who look like us, except with pointed ears. The height of realism.
You seem very needlessly defensive about this. I specifically said it shouldn't take away from the quality of the series, there's nothing wrong with some consistent worldbuilding.
I like this forum, but sometimes you guys seem offended when anyone criticizes something, I still think the positives outweigh the negatives.
As for the TNG comparison, there's a huge difference between 100 and 1000. And Discovery >>> TNG Season 1
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