DS9 specifically talked about humans, Earth, and how it changed as well. Additionally, the rebels in the DS9 mirror era had humans. So, no, not a genetic inevitability.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x05 - "Die Trying"
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They joined the Federation after the UFP promised them a holographic Spock's brainTOS name drop "Sigma Draconis System". I wonder if they've progressed beyond the "Brain and Brain" stage in 1000 years?
If he doesn’t like Kirk, he’s a dink.
The idea the Discovery crew would jump 900 years AND be allowed to stay together is a real stretch. Do we really think Captain Bateson and his ship were left untouched to serve in Picard's era?
I liked this one. It wasn’t my favorite of the season, but it was good. I liked that Culber got some highlight time. I thought the Georgeau scenes were amongst the best Yeoh has been given thus far. The “TNG plot” on the seed ship was ok, but not amazing. It was a little unengaging. I liked Nhan in this one too...and I think this is a nice way to sunset that character if that is what they are indeed doing.
7/10
Did you really expect otherwise? It’s just as unlikely that Kirk and crew would still be together for 25 years, basically all doing the same jobs.
I’d say canon completely supports keeping Starfleet crews together. This is just being consistent with established Starfleet policy.
7/10
Did you really expect otherwise? It’s just as unlikely that Kirk and crew would still be together for 25 years, basically all doing the same jobs.
I’d say canon completely supports keeping Starfleet crews together. This is just being consistent with established Starfleet policy.
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To be fair, all of that should have already been in existence by 25th century at most... aka, when we see Star Trek Picard.
The Federation was comprised of over 150 alien races by the late 24th century and it encountered a planet killer comprised of Neutronium entirely (which they disabled and likely studied) a 100 years earlier (not much longer after Discovery left the 23rd century).
150 alien races... let that sink in.
1 species experiencing acceleration of acceleration (exponential increases) in science and technology over time continuously would make that species really advanced in a relatively short time.
The Federation having just dozens of such species collaborating together over periods of time sharing information, resources, science, technology, etc... would be able to crack Neutronium in just a decade or few after studying it from the Planet Killer.
So, yes, it DOES kinda look 100 years after the 24th century... not 810 years after 24th century.
It's Star Trek, so yes.
They didn't do anything of the sort.
Burnham wanted to steal the dossier yes (she's been changed by the 1 year alone with Book where there were no starfleet regulations, and being devious like that was the key to survival), but Saru shot her idea down, and they asked Starfleet command through the appropriate channels and they got approval to do it.
Nah,
Maybe, but the Federation is a civilization and culture in it's self. The members aren't aliens, they're citizens.
A guess on what the Federation ( or even RL Earth) will look like in 1000 years is probably no more accurate than a guess about what it would look in 100s years.
Vance, with his penchant for waving temporal violations at officers, is of the same cloth as Dulmer and Lucsly.
The Federation has MANY civilizations and cultures.
Yes they are citizens who speak the same language (have standardization as well), but remember that each Federation member planet retains its own culture and unique way of looking at things - which (yes) has to be 'evolved enough' socially (and technologically) to get admitted into the Federation, but that doesn't mean it would lose its cultural identity or its unique perspective... because each species experiences life differently by default.
Yes, certain commonalities would be established, but the differences/diversity will still be there... only it doesn't divide them... it makes them stronger.
A saurian like Linus (or other members of his species) wouldn't lose his massive eye spectrum just because of joining the Federation (for example). Neither would saurian scientists lose perspective just because they are part of the Federation.
You'd still have a diverse pool of scientists, perspectives, etc. mixing and mashing together (and one of the primary ways to 'interconnect' all of these would be via automation/computers).
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Vance was a bit tough due to his circumstances (the Burn and being in triage for a very long time)... so his position is understandable.
Still, he already knew that both Saru and MB were being completely honest with him (via Eli the hologram) and he had official data on what happened to Discovery in 2258... so both Saru and MB filling in the blanks should have been adequate and just ordered them to stay put until they had a chance to analyse Disco's logs.
That's already run into problems. "Evolved enough" socially is very much set by a human/Earth standard, and even then the Federation may be accused of double standards.
Worf ran into trouble for giving assisted suicide to Kurn because he was dishonored by Gowron. However, it's valid under Klingon law. I can't imagine the Klingons would willingly give this up if for some reason Federation membership became a realistic prospect.
Or, even more shocking--the Klingons will agree to give up their rigid "honor" suicides, just as long as Federation standards are treated fairly on all member species. And the Klingons will point out that Vulcan forcible indoctrination of emotionless lifestyles on children, and their fatal Pon Farr fights, are just as barbaric if not more so than Klingon ways, yet the Federation lets those slide.
Yes they bring their biological and technological uniqueness to the collective. But that's not what I'm talking about.
That's already run into problems. "Evolved enough" socially is very much set by a human/Earth standard, and even then the Federation may be accused of double standards.
Worf ran into trouble for giving assisted suicide to Kurn because he was dishonored by Gowron. However, it's valid under Klingon law. I can't imagine the Klingons would willingly give this up if for some reason Federation membership became a realistic prospect.
Or, even more shocking--the Klingons will agree to give up their rigid "honor" suicides, just as long as Federation standards are treated fairly on all member species. And the Klingons will point out that Vulcan forcible indoctrination of emotionless lifestyles on children, and their fatal Pon Farr fights, are just as barbaric if not more so than Klingon ways, yet the Federation lets those slide.
The Klingon Empire were allies with the Federation not members (except for that short period in DS9 when the Khitomer Accords were dissolved because the Federation condemned Klingon invasion of Cardassia and Starfleet decided to rescue the Cardassian civilian council (this period was also when the incident between Kurn and Worf occurred) - which also led to the conflict between Federation and Klingon empire over the Arcanis sector.
Worf was a security officer of Starfleet. And while technically, he was probably considered a Federation citizen, there are differences on what is allowed to do when part of Starfleet and what isn't.
Not all Klingons practice those rituals after all, and even Worf himself didn't like the idea of assisted suicide to Kurn.
The Federation does respect people's religious customs, and as Janeway said, there is a limit to how far she would allow religious practices to go on her ship... because B'Lanna at the time wanted to repeat the life/death situation to revisit the Barge of Death and actively put herself (her life) in danger as a result.
I fairly doubt a Klingon captain would be so reckless to allow their crew to indulge on a very dangerous medical procedure... if EVERYONE did that, I doubt there would be many KDF officers left.
Besides, that assisted suicide ritual was also a product of very unusual circumstances.
I'm assuming that large powers like the Klingon Empire might not become part of the Federation but retain their allied status instead.
Either that, of the Empire would have changed over time when they decided to abandon a lot of those practices (remember that a lot of what we saw in the 23rd and 24th centuries was a product of rise of Warrior caste in the Klingon Empire... but non-warrior Klingons obviously exist... and we hadn't seen many Klingon scientists embracing too many suicide rituals... even the Klingon doctor in Enterprise [NX-01] was desperately trying to find a cure... albeit his methods were not exactly in line with Denobulan medical ethics - and many Klingons benefited from Federation medical practices.
The Klingons that Voyager found in Season 7 (who had the Neret virus) were similarly tempted to commit suicide upon being debilitated with Neret... however, when they were cured, that desire for suicide went away.
Klingons aren't always the most patient, but they might benefit from tempering their impulses a bit.
Looking at the Hirogen... they remained hunters even after getting holodeck technology from Janeway... the hunt continued in simulated form allowing the Hirogen to not exactly roam the galaxy like nomads.
Societies change over time... but just because that change occurred, it doesn't mean alien societies absorbed into the Federation would suddenly turn human.
No.
Certain things would change yes, but cultural identity would persevere regardless.
At any rate, how do we know that Klingons are supposed to be bloodthirsty? They were invaded by the Huur'q during relatively early stage of their development... and when that failed, Klingons stole alien technology and became space faring.
If that didn't happen, its possible Klingon social evolution would have occurred differently compared to what we saw.
My point was that given you have a collection of different civilizations and societies experiencing technical and scientific advances on a continuous basis (exponentially no less) working together, and the fact all of what was seen in the 32nd century was actually known in theoretical format in the 23rd century and in the proceeding 100 years even managed to get actual samples and working technologies/knowledge to play with... and KNEW they were possible, THAT's why some of us say that the 32nd century looks barely more advanced than what you'd probably see in late 25th century.
Who says?
Because they wanted to keep using their stock footage.
Getting back from the Delta Quadrant was fairly notable, earning Janeway an Admiral's rank.
Just as she gets added to the main cast in the titles?
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