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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x05 - "Die Trying"

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My point was that given you have a collection of different civilizations and societies experiencing technical and scientific advances on a continuous basis (exponentially no less) working together, and the fact all of what was seen in the 32nd century was actually known in theoretical format in the 23rd century and in the proceeding 100 years even managed to get actual samples and working technologies/knowledge to play with... and KNEW they were possible
Which theories are those and what episodes introduced them?
Not sure I buy the infinite monkeys approach to science.
 
They didn't do anything of the sort.

Burnham wanted to steal the dossier yes (she's been changed by the 1 year alone with Book where there were no starfleet regulations, and being devious like that was the key to survival), but Saru shot her idea down, and they asked Starfleet command through the appropriate channels and they got approval to do it.
I was referring to what rebel/ship's counselor Burnham wanted to do.
 
Which theories are those and what episodes introduced them?
Not sure I buy the infinite monkeys approach to science.

Neutronium was a theoretical substance in the 23rd century according to Federation science (as confirmed by Disco crew just in the episode where they found Federation HQ).
Shortly after Discovery left the 23rd century (about 10 years later), the Enterprise encountered the Planet Killer (a device made of solid neutronium).
The Federation was already aware of species well before Voyager was launched who build organic based vessels... such as the Breen.
Admittedly, holographic technology was highly evolved by the late 24th century and still mostly confined to the holodecks, however, even Voyager was able to project 3 holographic Talaxian space ships which were instrumental in dividing Kazon weapons fire... and from that I can conclude that the Federation would likely be able to make organic/neutronium/holo starship hull materials by mid/late 25th century (heck, by the 24th, Starfleet should have had some methods of disrupting Neutronium hull... but not even THAT happened because the writers couldn't be bothered to keep track).

Looking at the past 100 years from real life alone, technology and science have just BEGUN to evolve on an exponential basis... space faring species would have kept up that pace of development, and given what we saw of the 23rd and 24th centuries in Trek, its actually ridiculous that a LOT of the stuff that even became real (like Transwarp beaming) by late 24th century, doesn't even EXIST in the 32nd century (next to different power generation methods that don't need dilithium for regulating reactions), etc.
 
I was referring to what rebel/ship's counselor Burnham wanted to do.

Yes, but her behavior is a clear example of her spending 1 year cut off from Discovery and Starfleet as a whole surviving in a sector of the galaxy without Federation influence of any kind... she even let go of Discovery crew and thought she may never see them again.
It will take a while for her to get re-adjusted (if she ever does).

As for her being ship's counselor... to be fair, she did point out to Culber twice she's not the best person for the job... but the writers keep contradicting themselves.
In episode 4, Culber would have been a better choice to go down to Trill with Adira and provide support.
In episode 5 on the seed ship, Nhan would have been a perfect choice to talk to Attis... instead the writers opted to use MB instead on both occasions (a mistake in using her character).
 
Neutronium was a theoretical substance in the 23rd century according to Federation science (as confirmed by Disco crew just in the episode where they found Federation HQ).
Shortly after Discovery left the 23rd century (about 10 years later), the Enterprise encountered the Planet Killer (a device made of solid neutronium).
The Federation was already aware of species well before Voyager was launched who build organic based vessels... such as the Breen.
Admittedly, holographic technology was highly evolved by the late 24th century and still mostly confined to the holodecks, however, even Voyager was able to project 3 holographic Talaxian space ships which were instrumental in dividing Kazon weapons fire... and from that I can conclude that the Federation would likely be able to make organic/neutronium/holo starship hull materials by mid/late 25th century (heck, by the 24th, Starfleet should have had some methods of disrupting Neutronium hull... but not even THAT happened because the writers couldn't be bothered to keep track).

Looking at the past 100 years from real life alone, technology and science have just BEGUN to evolve on an exponential basis... space faring species would have kept up that pace of development, and given what we saw of the 23rd and 24th centuries in Trek, its actually ridiculous that a LOT of the stuff that even became real (like Transwarp beaming) by late 24th century, doesn't even EXIST in the 32nd century (next to different power generation methods that don't need dilithium for regulating reactions), etc.

Neutronium is not a technology available to Starfleet even in the 2370s. It was apparently only a theoretical possibility in 2258 (thanks, Discovery), encountered (for the first time?) in 2267 via the extragalactic, super-advanced planet killer, then in 2369 on the super-advanced, mysterious Dyson Sphere from an unknown culture. The Iconians, per DS9, also used neutronium, and the Think Tank in Voyager had a neutronium ship, which impressed those guys in the late 2370s.

The use by the Dominion and to a lesser extent the Vidiians doesn't really offset the previous notion of it being only available to super-races. Both the cultures were presented as more advanced (perhaps by a century or so) than the Federation, albeit the Vidiians had devolved due to plague and the Dominion were a totalitarian government that likely took the technology from those they conquered. The Borg, despite having assimilated some Vidiians, did not apparently have access to neutronium in 2376, per the Think Tank episode.

It's very possible that the Federation gained access to neutronium alloy technology at the peace talks with the Dominion in 2375.
 
That seedling ship was very small. I wonder if it had Tardis tech being bigger on the inside. That would be a thing now.
Also that line about the Mirror universe being easy to access because it was the “closest” was something that came out of the Shatnerverse books. That was a neat reference. Makes you wonder if they’ll go with the Borg theory as to why the Mirror universe came to be but I doubt it with that “genetic defect” line. Something I wasn’t a fan of.
 
DS9 specifically talked about humans, Earth, and how it changed as well. Additionally, the rebels in the DS9 mirror era had humans. So, no, not a genetic inevitability.
Or not all humans have it. It also seems to be nothing genetic in our current understanding, but something subatomic :shrug:
 
Is anyone more than a little underwhelmed by the designs of 32nd Starfleet vessels, uniforms and technology in Discovery? There doesn't seem to be any great difference one might expect.

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A few days build each, there is essentially no details at all. They just look like they're like a day build.
There's a lack of depth to them.

People on set had words to say, no idea what they were looking at, no idea how to express them, and the VFX people said "oh let's put this one as this". There's no connection.

Voyager-J:
Without any sort of detail, like 5000 polygons, super-simple model, just textured plate lines.
It's basically fan film quality, just lit better.
 
I strangely got a Star Trek Motion Picture vibe from some of those shots...

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...for example. Not that I mind, and it's probably just in my mind... :p
 
Hello all, This is my first to the site and wanted to see what others are thinking about "The Burn". For me, I'm pretty sure it has a lot to do with an episode from the 4th season of Star Trek Voyager. The episode is the 21st of the 4th season titled "'The Omega Directive". I just finished re-watching the episode where the Omega molecule has been discovered in the Delta Quadrant. It's mentioned that a single molecule is as powerful as a warp core. The episode mentions that a molecule was first synthesized around 2270 by a Starfleet physicist named Ketteract. However, it destabilized after a fraction of a second before destroying a classified Starfleet research center located in the Lantaru sector, killing 126 of Starfleet's leading scientists. Rescue teams were dispatched to the site, however, before they could reach the research center they discovered a secondary effect caused by the explosion. The explosion of the Omega molecule caused subspace ruptures to occur extending several light years. Meaning, due to the subspace ruptures, it was impossible to create a stable warp field in the Lantaru sector. Thus, all ships traveling through that sector could only do so at sublight speeds. Sound familiar? A chain reaction involving a handful of Omega molecules could devastate subspace throughout an entire quadrant. If that were to happen, then warp travel would become impossible, causing space-faring civilizations
to cease to exist. Janeway mentions that if a large scale Omega explosion were to occur, the ability to go to Warp will be lost forever. The Borg, per seven of nine, were also aware of the Omega Directive after the assimilation of Starfleet Captains. However, the Borg were aware of the Omega molecule some 229 years ago based on Voyager's present timeline 2370's after the assimilation of 13 different species. Seven of Nine mentions that it started with species 262 who referred to a powerful substance which could "Burn the Sky".

In the latest episode of Discovery, I don't think it was an accident that one of the ships that Discovery came across, as they arrived at the new Starfleet Headquarters, was none other than Voyager. So I believe this will all come back to the Voyager episode "The Omega Directive". Now, who is the actual culprit that caused the "Burn event" to happen? I would say my first guess would be the Borg, perhaps? What are your thoughts?

Regards,
Geno
 
The idea the Discovery crew would jump 900 years AND be allowed to stay together is a real stretch. Do we really think Captain Bateson and his ship were left untouched to serve in Picard's era?
This is an organisation that allowed an experienced, borg-beating first officer to hang out with Picard for 15 years and kept offering him commands despite him say 'no, no' like consuela from family guy repeatedly.
 
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