Yup. Didn't notice and to be honest this is one of the reasons I don't care for Trekyards and that type of YouTube/Podcast content. Watching something frame by frame so you can bitch about it doesn't seem healthy to me. I'm sure they are nice guys in real life but.........nah. Not for me.
All I keep thinking is: "these bores again."
That was different. They were physical models that cost a lot to make and so that’s why they used items like those to make the ships. You can’t really use that excuse with them as there are cgi models of more modern shuttles they could use.
i hope they're not serious?anyway I like the theory they have on Trekyards as to why there are so many of them. Due to them never closing the bloody shuttlebay door on the Discovery, when they went through time, the shuttles fell out and were displaced through time, explaining why they are showing up everywhere.
They have to pay for the artist time, rendering, etc. That it takes to create a new CGI model. Also even if they were to co-opt an existing model that someone else made, they need to license/pay for the rights to use that model in an episode, And that model still may need to be reworked to be used in whatever software they're using to generate the final effects footageThat was different. They were physical models that cost a lot to make and so that’s why they used items like those to make the ships. You can’t really use that excuse with them as there are cgi models of more modern shuttles they could use.
anyway I like the theory they have on Trekyards as to why there are so many of them. Due to them never closing the bloody shuttlebay door on the Discovery, when they went through time, the shuttles fell out and were displaced through time, explaining why they are showing up everywhere.
This is often the case. I have several friends who do VFX for various projects and they are often frustrated by the lack of understanding people have in making their models work.
did you perchance forgot to put your glasses when watching discovery?
Yes, high quality models are far more expensive. But they also made models with detergent bottles, and Gillette razors. They made ships out of already existing models used in other film and tv shows, they used parts from model kits that you can buy at a store. Some of the things they used costs almost nothing, and some were put together in a couple hours. And even when the shows went to CGI, they reused things all the time. Hack the top off of a Roman warbird (CGI Warbird mind you) lets make that a ship. They used ships from one time period in multiple time periods, they used ships from one quadrant to across the galaxy. Hell they used some models and all they did was repaint them(and fairly quickly at that). They reused FX shots, so many times it wasn't funny. How often do you see the same ship shot in Discovery and Picard?
While I admit freely I hated the color scheme used on the space shots in season one. You could still easily tell that the meshes were of vastly superior quality then anything done in Berman era tv or film for CGI work. And that holds true to every aspect of the physical production. From sets, to staging, to costumes, to props, to makeup, to the amount of extras, to stunt work, to the amount of original special fx. It's not even close. Now that doesn't mean you, or I, or anyone else must like or love any of the designs or final product. But to not recognize that much more work is put into everything makes it very difficult for one to give your opinion any credence.
Well I would love to see that. The Runabout is one of my favorite designs. But if time or money (for that specific shot) is an issue. Especially for a background image, they don't have a Cgi file that they can plug in that matches the quality of meshes that they have with the material created in the last three years. There are (in my mind) times when you cut corners and then there are times you don't. Take Generations, the key end to the battle with the Bird of Prey is a completely recycled shot from Undiscovered Country. I hated that. Hated that. Using a stock shot of the ship from TNG in space to save money? It's a generic shot, it's not a key plot point. Ok, that's where you saved buck. Last episode of DS9, completely lifted full fx sequences from three other episodes, seriously? Uggh. Not his was a CGI period so time wasn't the primary factor. Cost was. Sorry, but DS9 is budget (just as the other treks were) by season not by episode. You know the finale is coming up you know it's going to need to have a fairly large space battle, you plan better through the season and save money. I felt the same way with Picard's fleet standoff. That wasn't the key moment of the episode, but it was an important one. And while we did have new designs here, I would have loved a having fewer ships and more types shown. Of course, this takes time. Time to design and get approval (which can be a killer on these shows), and of course time to model and render. And I know that Trek has never had a season complete before starting to air, and once that starts, you are under the gun until he last episode airs. But this one did hurt. This is one that I wish the producers figured out we are getting behind the gun, lets spend a bit more budget, take it out of next years to get this one scene a little more. But that's just me (well maybe a few others here as well).I get all that but seriously... they couldn’t just use a Runabout in Picard?
not without having a rounabout model...I get all that but seriously... they couldn’t just use a Runabout in Picard?
if I understood correctly how it went, the FXs of the last Picard episodes get a pass for me: they had 4 designs approved, but were cutting close timewise anyway, when covid hit they had to move production home and could no longer deliver the intended shots in time, they did the best they could.
Well in fairness I was never impressed even back compared to what was also airing with TOS sets (outside of the bridge), don't get me started on TNG's (Yuck!), and while DS9 set design was different and interesting it was definitely dark and gloomy. Voyager's I liked for the most part (basically a better looking version of TNG), but I did really, really love the look of Enterprise. That was one area I never had anything but praise for. But for the most part I really like the sets on Discovery (Picard's Earth bound stuff was solid, not so sure of the ships sets at all). But I will admit as much as I like the sets, there is some level of been there done that, either from Trek itself or from other sci-fi shows, so I can understand that. And I can also understand why some people don't care for the darker way that the show is often lite. Some times I love it, some times I don't and everything in-between. But the actually sets are big expansive, and many. And the detail on them is pretty amazing. The show does make me wish we could have had the same production level with DS9 and Enterprise.
