Because nobody outside of this thread and the tragic video you linked to gives a fuck.
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Okay, that's fine as a personal choice, but I'm curious...
Where does this (bolded) part come from? Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think it's anywhere in the original Writers' Guide, nor do I find it in the TNG Bible.
THEY'RE REUSING ASSETS!1!???//???!!?/1/1??!!?!?
[clutches pearls with one hand and quickly fans themself with the other like a southern belle suffering from the vapors]
Well I never!
How dare they do the common practice of reusing assets! Fuck the fact it's a TV show with a budget and a schedule! Also fuck the fact there's currently a pandemic going on! They should strap all the artists to their workstations, give'em all feeding tubes, give'em all colostomy bags, give'em all IVs of uppers, and have someome with a whip hit them if they dare stop working. I want them build every thing from scratch down to every last dust particle! I WILL NOT STAND FOR REUSED DUST PARTICLES!!1!!1!
It's a TV show and like other TV shows they reuse assets. Deal with it and move on.
[clutches pearls with one hand and quickly fans themself with the other like a southern belle suffering from the vapors]
Well I never!
How dare they do the common practice of reusing assets! Fuck the fact it's a TV show with a budget and a schedule! Also fuck the fact there's currently a pandemic going on! They should strap all the artists to their workstations, give'em all feeding tubes, give'em all colostomy bags, give'em all IVs of uppers, and have someome with a whip hit them if they dare stop working. I want them build every thing from scratch down to every last dust particle! I WILL NOT STAND FOR REUSED DUST PARTICLES!!1!!1!
It's a TV show and like other TV shows they reuse assets. Deal with it and move on.
mostly from his many words opposed to destroying the enterprise in STIII and even more opposed in replacing it with the excelsior, words that led directly to the introduction of the E-A.
However, if you want to go back to TOS, pay attention to Kirk’s relationship with the ship. If you want to quote TNG, on the other hand, you can go with McCoy: “treat her like a lady and she will always bring you home”.
They look for every single opportunity to nitpick like this. No matter how small or background or blink and you miss it it is. If they can exploit it to make a video that feeds their base their regular dose of Discovery hate they'll do it. That's not a opinion but a statement of fact because they've done tons of videos like that over the last few years.
Battle of Procyon V in Enterprise S3 - 'Azati Prime'. Set in the 26th century aboard the Enterprise-J yet featured centuries old ships like the Prometheus, Nova, Vor'cha, and the previously fake Dauntless Class.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Procyon_V
They didn't have the time and budget to create a bunch of new vessels for a brief background shot. Suspend your disbelief, use your imagination and pretend they're newer ships.
Star Trek III, they reused the Franz Joseph Enterprise blueprints for the refit ship:
Just pretend it was the refit pictured on the display.
Here, they have a quick shot of ships crashing in "The Burn" or a blurry shuttle off in the distance flying to the marketplace. Pretend they're not the familiar ships from the 23rd century.
There are hundreds of similar examples of reused ships and displays from all the Trek series and most of the films, so calling it lazy or trying to pin it on any one particular production staff is ridiculous. Sometimes it's just a necessity to get things done on time and under budget. I appreciate new ships and quality production design as much as anyone, but in the grand scheme of things it's of little consequence next to telling a good story.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Procyon_V
They didn't have the time and budget to create a bunch of new vessels for a brief background shot. Suspend your disbelief, use your imagination and pretend they're newer ships.
Star Trek III, they reused the Franz Joseph Enterprise blueprints for the refit ship:
Just pretend it was the refit pictured on the display.
Here, they have a quick shot of ships crashing in "The Burn" or a blurry shuttle off in the distance flying to the marketplace. Pretend they're not the familiar ships from the 23rd century.
There are hundreds of similar examples of reused ships and displays from all the Trek series and most of the films, so calling it lazy or trying to pin it on any one particular production staff is ridiculous. Sometimes it's just a necessity to get things done on time and under budget. I appreciate new ships and quality production design as much as anyone, but in the grand scheme of things it's of little consequence next to telling a good story.
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I'm not sure that addresses the question I was asking, though, which was: What is the origin of the idea that the Enterprise must be considered a character as much as any of the crew are, or that this idea was introduced and/or endorsed by Gene Roddenberry?
I mean: yes, I've seen quite a number of people state that they consider the ship to be a character; I've seen it made as a criticism that Writer A, Director B, or Fan C was failing somehow in not treating the ship as a character on par with any of the leads; but where did that start? I've encountered that position many times over the years, but I have no idea what its source may have been.
It's written in the guide for the original TV series that the Enterprise is to be seen as a familiar setting, as a base for the adventures depicted, and as a home to which its crew can return at the end of each story. But where is the ship defined as a character in its own right? I've run into the assertion over and over, yet I still know not whence it came.
It doesn't matter. It's a TV show.
That's nice.
Some of you simply don't have any appreciation of how fortunate you are that these big companies are seeing the returns they are by investing in an old franchise that's grounded in a very physically limited 1960s TV series, such that they'll commit the millions of dollars that they do to building out such a wide variety of assets with such care and detail.
They could get by with a lot less than this, and you'd still watch the show just as faithfully.
They know that. You know that. But they still commit to the effort to do it well.
Show some gratitude.
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It definitely started with Roddenberry way back in the 60s, quite probably harking back to his days as a pilot, when helicopters were given names and treated as more than just machinery.
I found these two sources for such a conclusion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701)
https://entertainment.time.com/2013/05/17/star-trekkin-a-geeks-guide-to-the-uss-enterprise/
I think Weitekamp is certainly an authority here, and Time is not exactly an obscure magazine.
And this, people, is exactly the mock outrage and hate we are explicitly NOT presenting here.THEY'RE REUSING ASSETS!1!???//???!!?/1/1??!!?!?
[clutches pearls with one hand and quickly fans themself with the other like a southern belle suffering from the vapors]
Well I never!
How dare they do the common practice of reusing assets! Fuck the fact it's a TV show with a budget and a schedule! Also fuck the fact there's currently a pandemic going on! They should strap all the artists to their workstations, give'em all feeding tubes, give'em all colostomy bags, give'em all IVs of uppers, and have someome with a whip hit them if they dare stop working. I want them build every thing from scratch down to every last dust particle! I WILL NOT STAND FOR REUSED DUST PARTICLES!!1!!1!
It's a TV show and like other TV shows they reuse assets. Deal with it and move on.
It would be nice if this individual from the "we don't care" subgroup could go back to a civilized discussion.
Don't attack, mock, ridicule, distort, twist, exaggerate other fans' opinions. Simply respect them. Is that so difficult?
I get a clearer picture with stuff like that about what might have ignited the old wars from long before my time here - and it's not 'our side'.
What I also don't understand: Why would anyone take the time and effort to read and write in a thread about something they don't care about? It's all over Facebook where the haters spam every single Disco post with their broken record of how bad Disco is. It's sad to see something similar here. I don't go to Star Wars threads and tell everyone how I don't care about Star Wars, I simply don't even read them. There are probably dozens of threads in Misc and Sports that I could visit and tell everyone how I don't care about their topics. But why would I?
Have some respect and argue with real arguments - or not at all
Why do you got to be like that? So hostile to differing opinions?THEY'RE REUSING ASSETS!1!???//???!!?/1/1??!!?!?
[clutches pearls with one hand and quickly fans themself with the other like a southern belle suffering from the vapors]
Well I never!
How dare they do the common practice of reusing assets! Fuck the fact it's a TV show with a budget and a schedule! Also fuck the fact there's currently a pandemic going on! They should strap all the artists to their workstations, give'em all feeding tubes, give'em all colostomy bags, give'em all IVs of uppers, and have someome with a whip hit them if they dare stop working. I want them build every thing from scratch down to every last dust particle! I WILL NOT STAND FOR REUSED DUST PARTICLES!!1!!1!
It's a TV show and like other TV shows they reuse assets. Deal with it and move on.
I'm glad to accept everybody who has a difference of opinion on this subject matter.
But to be openly hostile is down right petulant.
This form of sarcasm wasn't necessary IMO.
You should be above that type of behavior when you're part of this great Trek community.
No matter how much I may disagree with our fellow Trekkies, I still respect their opinion about it even if we're on different sides of the same topic.
Just because they criticize & nit pick doesn't mean they hate a show.
They do that with every single Trek Show.
In other words, you don't know the answer to the question, and are unable to point to a specific source. Got it.
This, too, misses answering the question I asked.
I wasn't looking for conclusions drawn by others. I only wanted someone to point to where, in "Gene's way of looking at things," it was explicitly stated that "the Hero Ship should be just as much a character as the cast". It's a simple and straightforward question, one which ought to have a simple and direct answer. Yet, no one seems to be able to provide such an answer; instead, we have assertions that it is so, without any source or direct attribution to Roddenberry being identified, and then pivot to "probably" this and so-and-so's "conclusion" about that.
'Tis perplexing -- particularly after so much was said about the importance of "getting details correct".
I remember watching Star Trek V and being annoyed at unmodified TNG sets. I remember watching ENT and being vaguely annoyed that the Romulans wore Nemesis costumes and their city looked exactly as it did at the start of Nemesis 200 years later. ENT Season 4 had a budget cut, hence recycling stuff unmodified. But at the end of the day, the story was about Romulans on Romulus, and the visuals did depict that. Ditto Enterprise interiors being Enterprise interiors.
I am going into Disco S3 fully expecting to see recycled costumes, props, CG assets etc. Yes ideally we'd want 900 years ahead to be as entirely different visually as the year 1120 is compared to today, but if it means they can make more Trek stories I'm 100% down with it. And since they plan an avalanche of Trekspam, I suggest others accept that it's inevitable. Riker's bridge looks like the Discovery? Just wait until you spot a prop from 3188 being used in Strange New Worlds.
I am going into Disco S3 fully expecting to see recycled costumes, props, CG assets etc. Yes ideally we'd want 900 years ahead to be as entirely different visually as the year 1120 is compared to today, but if it means they can make more Trek stories I'm 100% down with it. And since they plan an avalanche of Trekspam, I suggest others accept that it's inevitable. Riker's bridge looks like the Discovery? Just wait until you spot a prop from 3188 being used in Strange New Worlds.
in other words you’ve reached your own conclusions and don’t care about what other people have to say. Got it.
What I wrote is in shatner’s biographies and probably in plenty of other books. I also remember rereading about it on memory alpha some time ago. But since you don’t care, fine for me, you win.
Here is your Warrior of the Internets award 2020, enjoy.
Back to the original discussion, I wonder how many eyebrows would be raised if a steam locomotive where to appear in a contemporary drama...and think about some carriage from the 13th century!
At least there is an in-world explanation here - that the shuttle ship design is eternally popular.
For big budget films and shows like The Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit, Game of Thrones, Vikings, etc. how do you explain how they copy-paste extras and CGI characters all over the place within the same shot?
For big budget films and shows like The Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit, Game of Thrones, Vikings, etc. how do you explain how they copy-paste extras and CGI characters all over the place within the same shot?
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