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2239 Discovery Shuttles used in 3188?!?!?! - Trekyards Analysis

People have been commenting/criticising Trek for it's reuse of SFX since the beginning I'd wager. Definitely since TWOK reused a bunch. It's fair enough I reckon. People who think it's recent Trek that's only been treated harshly have short memories
 
if I understood correctly how it went, the FXs of the last Picard episodes get a pass for me: they had 4 designs approved, but were cutting close timewise anyway, when covid hit they had to move production home and could no longer deliver the intended shots in time, they did the best they could.
Which is true. Time was a huge factor here. And if it wasn't the finale, and it wasn't key moment, I wouldn't even have a second thought about it. This wasn't something they could have planned for deep in advance. At best a couple of weeks to see how things were getting seriously slowed down. And of course, they couldn't delay the show a week (I mean they could have, but that for streaming is extremely are, and only done in very serious situations). But again dream world, CBS says ok, we we don't have the manpower resources and time to do this. Let's spend x amount of dollars hire a couple of people who don't normally work on the production and see if we can get a couple things added to the mix. That would also be an extreme thing for a show to do. It's very rare, but it can happen. But this is also me not knowing how they managed their budget that season. Did they stay on target, did they go seriously over the season budget?

I mean I always wanted every shot of the ships to be an original shot. This is going back to the 60's. And how excited I would get when we did get a new shot. So I always understood why that didn't happen, but I still always wished it could...
 
The story isn’t that interesting yet. That’s why. :)
They did show other types of shuttles in Picard. Like in the Mars flashback. If they just used those instead of the Discovery ones people wouldn’t have cared as much.
 
What I also don't understand: Why would anyone take the time and effort to read and write in a thread about something they don't care about? It's all over Facebook where the haters spam every single Disco post with their broken record of how bad Disco is. It's sad to see something similar here. I don't go to Star Wars threads and tell everyone how I don't care about Star Wars, I simply don't even read them. There are probably dozens of threads in Misc and Sports that I could visit and tell everyone how I don't care about their topics. But why would I?
Ah.

You didn't actually read my post did you? You just knee jerked after the first words, ignored it, and automatically assumed I was bad mouthing the show. Which I wasn't. I actually kind of like it with Saru being my favorite character.

If you'd actually read it you'd have seen I was showing my annoyance, in an over the top comedic manner, of those with a similar attitude as the OP's when it comes to 3D model work.




Why do you got to be like that?
I was just responding to your passive aggressive whinge about the VFX artists.

So hostile to differing opinions?
I wasn't hostile. I was expressing my feelings on this matter in a comedic way.

You should be above that type of behavior when you're part of this great Trek community.
I'm deeply sorry. I didn't realize having a sense of humor and being annoyed when fellow artists get trashed was a no-no in this Trek community.

In future I'll refrain from doing anything that would elicit a laugh or chortle. I'll also bite my tongue and keep silent when fellow artists get trashed by someone who has little to no idea of what they actually do.

No matter how much I may disagree with our fellow Trekkies, I still respect their opinion about it even if we're on different sides of the same topic.
Thing is you didn't give an opinion. You posted a YouTube vid, called the VFX artists lazy for reusing assets, and then told us you agreed with some YouTube yutz's tinfoil hat nonsense.

tinfoil hat clickbait + derogatory comment =/= opinion


They have to pay for the artist time, rendering, etc. That it takes to create a new CGI model. Also even if they were to co-opt an existing model that someone else made, they need to license/pay for the rights to use that model in an episode, And that model still may need to be reworked to be used in whatever software they're using to generate the final effects footage

If you think making a CGI model is that much easier or less expensive then creating a physical model, you really don't understand current film or television production. Anything new takes money and time to create and use. If they had something they used for a quick shot in an earlier episode, it's much less expensive, And also faster because they know it'll work with whatever software they are using.

This is often the case. I have several friends who do VFX for various projects and they are often frustrated by the lack of understanding people have in making their models work.

Makes me more appreciative of the efforts done in current shows Good work all around with all the modeling needing done.
This is the primary problem when this kind of stuff gets brought up. The folks who complain seem to be rather clueless as to how this stuff is actually made. They just assume someone sits in front of a computer and jabs a few buttons to make pretty images instantly appear.
 
It's not important. It was just in the background. Focus on the story and characters. That's what Star Trek is about.

While I think this particular issue is way overblown (I was far more critical of them doing it in "The Children of Mars"), TV is a visual medium and the visuals are what helps sell the believeability of the universe to the audience.

And Star Trek is about making money. Always has been, always will be.
 
Why a 800 year old runabout? Picard is set just 25 years after DS9.
I thought we were talking about the reuse in discovery in season 3.

On Picard sure, but again, they probably didn’t have the mesh ready.

CBS says ok, we we don't have the manpower resources and time to do this. Let's spend x amount of dollars hire a couple of people who don't normally work on the production and see if we can get a couple things added to the mix. That would also be an extreme thing for a show to do. It's very rare, but it can happen.
as you certainly know, in television it’s always a matter of “do we really NEED to spend that money”. They had to fight to get the reliant and the enterprise-c models, spending that kind of money on a sequence of a few seconds isn’t really realistic.

Sure, they could have invested in a few ships and then reused those models for years, and that was probably the original plan, but with all the mess caused by covid it’s understandable they wanted to avoid spending even more money.
 
And Star Trek is about making money. Always has been, always will be.

Everything is about making money. Our lives are about making money. Doesn't mean that the writers take that into consideration when they write it. They want to tell a good story, with good characters.
 
Maybe you should do a little bit more research about the TrekYards duo, they aren't some "random yutz" like you would like to portray them.

I have a YouTube channel. I talk about beer. I'm a yuts. Everyone on YouTube is a yutz. The only people that think otherwise are those wtih channels and having too much of an opinion about themselves or the yutzes following said yutzes. It's friggin YouTube, not notworthy reporting.
 
Maybe you should do a little bit more research about the TrekYards duo, they aren't some "random yutz" like you would like to portray them.

But they really are in the grand scheme of things.......A corner of a part of a fandom knows who they are. I was never really a fan of them, but they completely lost me when they started crowdfunding to pay for their trips to cons........
 
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Why are the VFX artists so lazy as to re-use 2239 era Discovery Shuttles in 3188?

I tend to agree with Commander Cockins on this one, they must be trolling us.

Maybe it is a retro design that popular at the time? What the problem? Federation influence has vanish at the area. Capitalism has back to it's finest. If retro design is popular, then it will pop up at the market.
 
You didn't actually read my post did you? You just knee jerked after the first words, ignored it, and automatically assumed
:rofl:

If you'd actually read it you'd have seen I was showing my annoyance, in an over the top comedic manner
:rolleyes:

I wasn't hostile. I was expressing my feelings on this matter in a comedic way.
:shifty:

I'm deeply sorry. I didn't realize having a sense of humor and being annoyed when fellow artists get trashed was a no-no in this Trek community.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

In future I'll refrain from doing anything that would elicit a laugh or chortle.
:techman:
 
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