2239 Discovery Shuttles used in 3188?!?!?! - Trekyards Analysis
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Compare the ds9 dominion space battle with the space battles we see in discovery. Just because they put more pew pew crap on the screen doesn’t make it better. The discovery was to crammed and busy to even enjoy. The ds9 battles looked much more realistic in terms of movement.
agreed. The fleet battles looked so bad in discovery that I found a clip of the ending season 2 one on YouTube while looking for good fan artists and thought “this guy doesn’t understand a thing” before realizing it was from the actual show.
The next time Vasquez rocks are used as a filming location, they need to do some alterations with dynamite and backhoes so it doesn't look like the same place each time. 
Seriously though, I don't mind people finding and pointing out the inconsistencies in details, but I do mind if people use those things to make the claim that the inconsistencies makes that specific show inferior to other Trek because of it.
Seriously though, I don't mind people finding and pointing out the inconsistencies in details, but I do mind if people use those things to make the claim that the inconsistencies makes that specific show inferior to other Trek because of it.
At this point they just sound like Charlie Brown's teacher to me..........same posts every day in every forum.
See, here's the thing-I don't compare. Either it works in the context or it doesn't. DS9 did it one way and Discovery did it another way. I happened to enjoy both. It's not an either/or proposition of enjoyment. One is not better than the other.
This is a thing that is hard to deal with in a franchise that has mostly dealt with increases in technology over time. It wasn't a problem in Star Wars, or Foundation. Those series are set in periods of decline.
But sometimes, decline or not, technology just reaches a level of maturity and doesn't really change very much. A shuttle is a shuttle. A wagon is a wagon. After the invention of the derailleur, have bicycles gotten all that faster? Lighter, sure, but if you look at a bicycle frame, it's still the same diamond safety frame that came out in the 1890s.
This:
(Apollo Command Module)
doesnt look very different from
This
Orion Crew Module
Separated by 50 years. Might as well be 1000. Form follows function. It's ridiculous that anyone would get hung up over that, apart from the Terkyards Duo, who are extremely limited.
Excellent illustration. At some point in time technology will hit a point that changes will be minor and not affect the overall shape.
This is a thing that is hard to deal with in a franchise that has mostly dealt with increases in technology over time. It wasn't a problem in Star Wars, or Foundation. Those series are set in periods of decline.
But sometimes, decline or not, technology just reaches a level of maturity and doesn't really change very much. A shuttle is a shuttle. A wagon is a wagon. After the invention of the derailleur, have bicycles gotten all that faster? Lighter, sure, but if you look at a bicycle frame, it's still the same diamond safety frame that came out in the 1890s.
This:
(Apollo Command Module)
doesnt look very different from
This
Orion Crew Module
Separated by 50 years. Might as well be 1000. Form follows function. It's ridiculous that anyone would get hung up over that, apart from the Terkyards Duo, who are extremely limited.
If the shuttle works, it works. Update the innards, but the hull design is pretty much working well.
In my head I'm always trying to find in-universe ways to explain apparent inconsistencies with any Star Trek (it's fun!), and one way I might explain this shuttle in my own mind is that it's like an old 1950s car being used in Havana, Cuba today. They don't have great access to modern cars and parts, so they work with what they can get.
Similarly, perhaps the fall of the federation has created problems finding modern shuttles and modern parts...
So they fly whatever they can get, even a 900 year old shuttle that needs to be rebuilt by hand.
Similarly, perhaps the fall of the federation has created problems finding modern shuttles and modern parts...
So they fly whatever they can get, even a 900 year old shuttle that needs to be rebuilt by hand.
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This is my way as well. I don't care much for the real world reasons nor do I want to just go "It's a plot hole!" I think it should be fun to come up with in universe rationales rather than just going after the production team.
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Some of this thread devolved into the fx work is lower quality than previous treks. And while their are aspects of the design I don't like (Some I really don't like), I understand the work that went into unit is at a higher level. I am not dating the designing of shots is better. Thats a whole other argument.
The DS9 battles suffer badly when you notice that only the foreground ships are firing. All the others fly around, swooping close to each other and... doing nothing.
Unsee that.
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A lot of the DS9 battles never made sense with what we have learned about Star Trek. Even the earlier seasons were a lot more conservative with the number of ships, then you get to Season 6 and the Federation is taking 600 ships into a battle vs 1200. But you only ever see about 20 on screen. It's crazy.
I do compare because after TOS from the movies on to the Berman the look was pretty consistent to what came before. Now it’s video game style pew pew pew stuff. Star Wars did it right and stays pretty consistent with the looks of space and the tech. They have modest advancements but don’t go over board for 3 decades. For Kurtzman everything in the past now looks more advanced then TNG and about the same as Picard and 900 years on the future STD. Terribly done.
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I would expect it to look more advanced. Star Trek is about our humanity, not an alternative timeline or a fantasy world in a galaxy far far away.
Star Wars is a completely different beast and there is no comparison beyond spaceships. Superficial at best.
Compare all you want but Trek is different and always will be. I see no reason to compare.
Unfortunately in terms of storytelling it isn’t to different anymore. Kurtzman like his buddy abrams is really a Star Wars fan and you can see that In his Star Trek shows. Unfortunate really.
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Nope.
I think so. They follow the abrams way and it seems to look so much like pew pew pew Star Wars. Even the phasers are now laser bolts just like in star wars. No more continuous phaser stream. A pity.
Neither of your examples are 900 years.
This is a thing that is hard to deal with in a franchise that has mostly dealt with increases in technology over time. It wasn't a problem in Star Wars, or Foundation. Those series are set in periods of decline.
But sometimes, decline or not, technology just reaches a level of maturity and doesn't really change very much. A shuttle is a shuttle. A wagon is a wagon. After the invention of the derailleur, have bicycles gotten all that faster? Lighter, sure, but if you look at a bicycle frame, it's still the same diamond safety frame that came out in the 1890s.
This:
(Apollo Command Module)
doesnt look very different from
This
Orion Crew Module
Separated by 50 years. Might as well be 1000. Form follows function. It's ridiculous that anyone would get hung up over that, apart from the Terkyards Duo, who are extremely limited.
Um, how long has it been since the Roman Empire? Pretty sure it's been over 900.
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