Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x10 - "The Red Angel"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Mar 21, 2019.

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  1. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Commodore

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    Some things I ask myself:

    Do the events that occur in linear time have to occur in the same linear time-line of the the time traveler, since they are traveling through time both forward and back yesterday could be tomorrow and next tuesday the day after that for a time traveler?

    How long did it take for the time traveler to get the hang of the technology? What are its limitations?

    Is there only one time traveler or multiple time travelers wearing the suit at different points from when it was invented? Mom first, Michael Second, someone else third etc.

    Do all methods of time travel create new timelines or does the effect vary depending on which kind of time travel tech or method one uses?
     
  2. Alan Roi

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    About 90% of anything that had to do with Q was significantly more immature than that particular scene, which was merely an pg discussion about sex between partners in different universes.

    Now compare that to when Q wanted Janeway to have his baby...
     
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  3. fireproof78

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    Oh, wait, you're serious?
     
  4. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Commodore

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    IMO, pretty much everything under the What I didn't like is :guffaw:
     
  5. Doc Mugatu

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    Threatening is one thing. Killing indiscriminately and in high volume is way different makes for a different type of character. Redefining the character in a TOS prequel series rewrites TOS. I am not a fan of that in either principle or practice. This is why I truly wished they would have gone completely original with Discovery.

    Definitive? No. Though I like Star Trek Discovery it is far from perfect and this is one area I believe it falls down badly. They needlessly retconned Harry Mudd and altered how the future will perceive two TOS episodes as a result. That is effectively rewriting them. Carmel was first to define Mudd and that was in accordance with how the original creators authored him. It's having Greedo shoot first all over again.
     
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  6. Doc Mugatu

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    More like "Harcourt Fenton Mudd, Double naught Agent of Section-31" :lol:

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  7. Alan Roi

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    No, because Lucas was rewriting a character in the *same freaking movie* he originally appeared in to retroactively soften him and undermine his character arc. In the exact same movie he reedited to make more appealing to 3 year olds.

    Carmel's Harry Mudd has no character arc in his episodes. He's the same vaudvillian comedy villain in both. What Rains interpretation does is add depth and fills in backstory much as Craig's version of Bond has to the character of 007.

    And going the 'original authors' route deny's many peoples view that Christopher Reeves and Kevin Conroy portrayed the definitive performances of Superman and Batman, even though their particular interpretations are by no means devoted tp the exact characterization as the original author's intended or even how the original actors who portrayed the characters played them in live action.
     
  8. Alan Roi

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    One can only wish for an ending to this season of Trek that is as perfect as the ending of Super was for its narrative.
     
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  9. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon I love Star Trek Discovery Premium Member

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    Star Trek Discovery ends with a looooooooooong camera pullack to reveal a soundstage and they walk off "the ship" and we see they're on some giant space station.
     
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  10. Alan Roi

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    By deliberately riffing off batman's prime influence, The Spider, Master of Men on his Batsleeves, such as leaving his 'mark' on the foreheads of his victims that wouldn't be revisited again until Batman V Superman?
     
  11. Alan Roi

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    My money is on that halfbreed first officer of his.
     
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  12. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Commodore Commodore

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    It wouldn't be Star Trek if there wasn't a lot of time travel going on. Including paradoxes. If it hadn't happened through the Red Angel, it would've come about through Discovery itself - which has been established to be able to travel through time as well as space. Some people were already complaining that time travel hadn't been explored enough for a ship that could do it as one of its essential functions.

    I still think there's merit to the idea of exploring time in the way that starships explore space, especially if other species WILL do it for themselves. (Sorry, Temporal Accords.) Most likely, S31 started the temporal race, the Klingons got wind of it, allowed their own time tech to be stolen so they could trace it to S31's project, then attacked.

    As for Control, that's probably Moriarty, escaped after being innocently uploaded from his storage device after the salvage operation when Enterprise-D crashed. :cool:
     
  13. nutshell

    nutshell Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    For those who didn’t like the funeral scene because Airiam was a minor character, don’t you think that scene was actually to show us that her crew and friends are hurting? I don’t think we were meant to feel a swell of emotion for Airiam herself, but for this crew that is finally becoming a “family.”
     
  14. Awesome Possum

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    A lot of that seems to be focused on the bridge crew being pretty close, something that's been implied a bit with Tilly being friends with most of them. The scene with the new officer taking Airiam's spot really showed that.
     
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  15. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Intent and effectiveness are not the same thing.
     
  16. Nerys Myk

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    Dude has priors and anger issues.
     
  17. Lord Garth

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  18. Doc Mugatu

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    No. The above you reference are various reboots not sequels or prequels where we are speaking of the same character. That's why I said if this Harry Mudd turns out to be an Alt-Universe doppleganger then fine. It is also why I go along with Quinto's Spock being so different and out of character of the prime universe Spock (he is alt-universe). Even in your example Brandon Routh's Superman was soundly rejected as a continuation of Christopher Reeves.
     
  19. fireproof78

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    There's a built-in reason for Mr. Mudd. Not sure what the issue is. :shrug:
     
  20. Roald

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    I think MU-Georgiou was actually trying to bring Stamets and Culber back together, in her own way. I must be honest, I didn’t like the scene either... but, I do think it was meant to show that Georgiou is actually trying to do help these guys out...