Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x10 - "The Red Angel"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Mar 21, 2019.

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  1. Lord Garth

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  2. Doc Mugatu

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    No. The above you reference are various reboots not sequels or prequels where we are speaking of the same character. That's why I said if this Harry Mudd turns out to be an Alt-Universe doppleganger then fine. It is also why I go along with Quinto's Spock being so different and out of character of the prime universe Spock (he is alt-universe). Even in your example Brandon Routh's Superman was soundly rejected as a continuation of Christopher Reeves.
     
  3. fireproof78

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    There's a built-in reason for Mr. Mudd. Not sure what the issue is. :shrug:
     
  4. Roald

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    I think MU-Georgiou was actually trying to bring Stamets and Culber back together, in her own way. I must be honest, I didn’t like the scene either... but, I do think it was meant to show that Georgiou is actually trying to do help these guys out...
     
  5. Alan Roi

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    By slavishly trying to duplicate the same performance Reeves gave, IMO.
     
  6. Vger23

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    I do think it's fair to say that there have been elements of the arc that have been disappointing. I was personally greatly looking forward to the RA being some enigmatic and wonderful mystery, that perhaps may never have fully been solved. And, to the "science vs. faith" theme, this would leave the crew questioning their beliefs.

    I knew that was blown to hell weeks ago when they figured out it was a person in a suit. It was a letdown for me. It's also been a bit of a letdown that the story has flexed more toward an "evil AI" slant. To me, that's just a horribly overused trope in science fiction. I also cringe every time someone says the phrase "extinguish all sentient life."

    All that said, I'm still loving the ride. I find the individual episodes to be engaging, the performances are amazing, the plots are generally fun. I mean, at least it's not fucking boring or stale.

    I can be disappointed that my personal wants or desires are not being met and still be open minded enough to enjoy everything that is going on. I wanted the RA thing to be a wonderous mystery. Ok, it's Burnhams mom instead. That's not what I wanted, but it is pretty interesting, and a helluva lot better than fucking Iconians or Prime Lorca or whatever the hell else people thought was the deal.

    Overall, I've enjoyed this as much as any Trek experience of the past twenty five years. DSC has moved into my second place slot, behind only TOS now. It is frustrating at times because it still feels sloppy and like too many opportunities are missed...but even as such it's been wildly entertaining. You look at an episode like If Memory Serves and you see what the show could be. It has that capability. It feels like we're really close...like on the verge of something special. But it's not....quite....there....yet
     
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  7. FreezeC77

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    One of the biggest issues in determining "continuity" is it is so difficult to get anyone involved in the trek projects to definitively state what they are following.

    It isn't the reason, but if you said this was due to First Contact and discovered tech and knowledge kept classified of the Borg it would explain some of the differences from TOS.
     
  8. DaveyNY

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    I'm thinking that perhaps when this season is over and one can go back and binge it in its entirety in one sitting, many of the complaints being expressed will have somewhat logical answers, that watching in a weekly format leaves lengths of time to speculate incorrectly about.

    Of course, if one finds the story generally lacking anyway, then nothing is going to cure that.
    :shrug:
     
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  9. fireproof78

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    Precisely so. Regardless of personal expectations, it is engaging and enjoyable.
     
  10. Cyrus

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    They should have stuck with "science vs faith" mystery longer, but that seems to have been jettisoned when Harberts and Berg were fired.


    That's how I saw it too. Interesting that many people don't like that scene. I loved it, especially the Papi part. But then again I love every scene Michelle Yeoh is in.
     
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    Pardon me if this has already been mentioned but, Spock...that’s suit...good god BABY GOT BACK! 10 out of 10 for me!

    But seriously, did Burnham and Tyler have to kiss? I’d much rather there be just a crap load of tension on that ship for rest of the entire series. Yeah yeah, she was about to die, whatever...

    I am, however, so thoroughly relieved that the red angel was NOT Burham. The initial reveal sent shock waves of crushing disappointment through me from head to toe. Hmm...I suspect this had an influence on my approval of the final reveal though.
     
  12. Alan Roi

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    Any sort of sex related talk on Trek seems really bother some people. Sort of they're hearing their parents talking dirty to each other or something similar.
     
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  13. Roald

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    It was jettisoned after ep 2 I think... It was a great starting point, and yes, it could have been spread out longer.. but sooner or later, this is ST not Nu-BSG, so the crew would have discovered ;) the science behind the Red Angel.. it just happened a lot sooner than some had hoped..
     
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    Kirk should have known who his father was though from his service record.
     
  15. Gilora

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    This. Empathy was the primary factor in the Airiam background story and funeral. Some viewers felt it more than others. :shrug:
     
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    To quote a a Starfleet Captain from the Mirror Universe, 'I still don't care'

    Personally, I can't invest with how the characters are feeling, because I didn't know any of them had a relationship with Airiam, until they started telling me that they did. To me that is manipulative and contrived storytelling I hated when TNG and Voyager did stuff like this and I don't like that Discovery does it.
     
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    And Trekkies felt sadness over the death of a Starfleet officer that not only appeared in just one episode but was never even seen on-screen. Lisa Cusack from "The Sound of Her Voice(DS9)." To this day her temporally-out-of-phase audio communication with Sisko and his officers is an example of how to make the fans feel for a character they barely or don't even know.
     
  18. cooleddie74

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    Maybe Sarek and Spock decided to omit that from his service record? One, because Sarek didn't like Spock being in Starfleet to begin with and two, because Spock didn't want his familial connection to one of the most prominent diplomats in the Federation to hinder his career and become a weight around his neck when he was already going to have enough trouble assimilating into the human-dominated Starfleet and keeping his own emotions in check.
     
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    Me, too! I kept thinking that it just was way too obvious.
     
  20. Nyotarules

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    Future Captain Tilly is the reason the Romulans disappeared for 100 years, she would not stop talking!
     
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