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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x08 - "If Memory Serves"

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That's kind of where the Talosians hang out. He specifically needed their powers to sort out his mind and show Burnham his memories from melding with the Red Angel.

Talosians are indigenous to Talos ?
Well I never
Still doesn't explain why it HAD to be their help that he sought.
 
Talosians are indigenous to Talos ?
Well I never
Still doesn't explain why it HAD to be their help that he sought.
A show with Spock and Captain Pike. Spock's mind is mixed up. What kind of folks with experience playing with minds and memories would they have in common? It is a mystery. Why would writers do that?

Hmm. It kind of does. It's very clearly explained in the episode. He needed their specific power set.
Indeed.
 
Talosians are indigenous to Talos ?
Well I never
Still doesn't explain why it HAD to be their help that he sought.
Talosians have great mental powers and the ability to influence minds. Spock might not have been sure whether they could help, but he had reason to be optimistic based on what he knows about them. He also knew that Federation medicine could not help him and that S31 was out to get him. So, that provided more incentive to get help outside of the Federation. The Talosians sure seem like a logical choice.
 
I also read some posts on the ST subreddit that were claiming SMG was both too wooden in her acting and over-emoting all the time. Michael is too smug and unlike-able a character, while also being too perfect and too heroic. :rolleyes::guffaw:

You know, SMG seems like such a warm, radiant person. I really hope these vocal detractors don't wear her down into a typical jaded celebrity.

Man, people can be such d!cks sometimes.
 
Talosians are indigenous to Talos ?
Well I never
Still doesn't explain why it HAD to be their help that he sought.

I actually thought it was made perfectly clear. Given Spock's chaotic mental state as the result of the temporal mind-meld, the Talosians were the only beings he knew of who possessed strong enough telepathic abilities to potentially help him sort through it. They needed Burnham because she is close enough to him to know what his "uncluttered / linear" timeline should look like.

I'm not sure he "HAD" to do it, and I'm unclear on why this is even a hang-up. I guess I don't HAVE to go to the hospital if I have a heart attack. It's certainly a choice. But, the consequence to making a bad choice there is that I will die. So....seems pretty reasonable to me that I'd go. :shrug:
 
Talosians are indigenous to Talos ?
Well I never
Still doesn't explain why it HAD to be their help that he sought.
Federation/Section 31 doctors couldn't help (he tried that first) - and he knew of the Talosians mind altering ability; so while he didn't know for certain the Talosians would be able to help; logically, they were the next best choice.
 
It's not as if the Talosians were exactly champions of fair play in "The Menagerie" is it ?
That's what I'm trying to say
How could Spock possibly know they would help him, how did he know they weren't going to manipulate him and Burnham for their own purposes ?
Are the Talosians the only telepathic species ever encountered by Spock ?
I doubt it.
As for being "hung up about it" to paraphrase, I'm merely asking valid questions, and for the second time on this thread I feel as if I'm being spoken down to by some, it's almost like a herd mentality on here at times.
Its a forum for fans to debate opinion, and my opinion is as valid as anyones.
 
It's not as if the Talosians were exactly champions of fair play in "The Menagerie" is it ?
That's what I'm trying to say
How could Spock possibly know they would help him, how did he know they weren't going to manipulate him and Burnham for their own purposes ?
Are the Talosians the only telepathic species ever encountered by Spock ?
I doubt it.
As for being "hung up about it" to paraphrase, I'm merely asking valid questions, and for the second time on this thread I feel as if I'm being spoken down to by some, it's almost like a herd mentality on here at times.
Its a forum for fans to debate opinion, and my opinion is as valid as anyones.
Actually, Both The Cage and Menagerie show their willingness to help! At the end of The Cage, the Talosians let the Enterprise leave after discovering the misunderstanding. They also let Vina stay so she can enjoy her life. Later, in Menagerie, Spock takes Pike there and they do help him. Again they're helpful *and* Spock is willing to bet on both their willingness and ability to help. (Of course, Menagerie hasn't happened yet, so he's only going on the events in The Cage.)

As I mentioned in my post earlier, Spock might not have known for sure that they could help, but given their immense mental powers it seems likely. Additionally, also I as explained, he had a lot of incentive to seek help outside the Federation--the Feds were unable to help and S31 were after him!

Basically, the Talosians were a good bet outside the Federation even if Spock wasn't 100% sure. And, in terms of sheer mental powers, Talosians are at or near the top. Not counting say the Q where it's not mental powers but actual powers to change reality!

It just seems like a logical thing to try.
 
It's not as if the Talosians were exactly champions of fair play in "The Menagerie" is it ?
That's what I'm trying to say
How could Spock possibly know they would help him, how did he know they weren't going to manipulate him and Burnham for their own purposes ?
Are the Talosians the only telepathic species ever encountered by Spock ?
I doubt it.
As for being "hung up about it" to paraphrase, I'm merely asking valid questions, and for the second time on this thread I feel as if I'm being spoken down to by some, it's almost like a herd mentality on here at times.
Its a forum for fans to debate opinion, and my opinion is as valid as anyones.

I'm not meaning in any way to speak down to you. "Hung up" was just a phrase I chose to express that it didn't seem like something that warranted a deep concern or confusion, because the plot and dialoge spoke to a lot of it.

I'll try to answer some of these questions, based on my interpretation of the episodes and character motovations:

1. No, the Talosians are definitely dicks at times. But, Spock is a man of logic. He wasn't making a character judgement on them. He was likely desperate and did whatever he thought had the best and most immediate chance for success.

2. Spock was portrayed as the "expert" on the Talosian mental powers in "The Cage," and I'm sure his understanding of Pike's actual experience only heightened his understanding of their capabilities. As a telepath himself, he'd be in very good position to ascertain that they are capable of helping him.

3. He probably figured since they willingly let Pike go, due to our "unsuitability," they'd have no long-term need or designs on retaining either him or Burnham.

4. We don't know if Spock has encountered any other telepathic species. We only know that he assessed the Talosians as being the best choice to help him with this particular issue.
 
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You know, SMG seems like such a warm, radiant person. I really hope these vocal detractors don't wear her down into a typical jaded celebrity.

Man, people can be such d!cks sometimes.

Peck spoke in really glowing terms about SMG and how she welcomed him into the show in his Ready Room interview. She sounds like a mama bear when it comes to the cast. I share your hope that she keeps that joy in what she's doing, regardless of the detractors
 
You know, SMG seems like such a warm, radiant person. I really hope these vocal detractors don't wear her down into a typical jaded celebrity.

Man, people can be such d!cks sometimes.
I seriously doubt anyone involved in the production pays all that close attention to social media as they KNOW it's overall going to be somewhat toxic - IE They know what to expect, and avoid it until after the work is done.
 
It's funny how this is the exact same complaint the dudebros all throw at Brie Larson as Carol Danvers, isn't it? She doesn't smile enough, she's too wooden, she doesn't show any emotions! Why is she in a real uniform instead of a sexy catsuit?
Those dudebros drive me nuts. She’s a member of Starforce who only remembers the last six years of her life. Of course she’s stoic! But she showed that buried beneath the shell is a fun and snarky person too. I thought she was great.
 
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