Mushrooms are awesome! I just can’t relate to picking them off my pizza. But still like Reno quite a bit.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x04 - "An Obol for Charon"
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Mushrooms are awesome! I just can’t relate to picking them off my pizza. But still like Reno quite a bit.
I'm not sure I like the idea of Saru losing his fear instincts. It's been a defining element of the character. It's like if, after 19 episodes, Spock decided he was going to let emotions through indefinitely, or Data turned into a human, or Troi lost her empathic powers, Etc.
I don't know, man.
I don't know, man.
they could have fun with it, now he could spend some time in an awkward hero-mode adolescence
Agreed! It opens some interesting doors. I do wish it was something they had done more with the Berman era shows, but c’est la vie!
The story was very interesting. However, the storytelling execution was messy, and final on-screen product seemed a bit chaotic.
While the three main points of dramatic action (the rock thing, Saru's condition, and the Stamets/Tillly/Reno stuff) all worked together plot-wise in a general sense -- and made for an interesting overall story being told, they did not feel cohesive enough, like the director was just throwing the action together.
I gave it a 6 before due to this messy execution of what is an interesting story, but after I watched it again, I'll give it a 7 overall. That would be 9 for it being an overall interesting story (some really good Star-Trekky ideas), but a 5 for the messiness by which the story was executed.
Maybe this overall messy execution of the stories is part of what led the showrunners Berg and Harberts being let go...Maybe? Hopefully they get back on track later in the season in the story execution department, which would be a good thing since I think the stories themselves have been classic Trek stuff.
While the three main points of dramatic action (the rock thing, Saru's condition, and the Stamets/Tillly/Reno stuff) all worked together plot-wise in a general sense -- and made for an interesting overall story being told, they did not feel cohesive enough, like the director was just throwing the action together.
I gave it a 6 before due to this messy execution of what is an interesting story, but after I watched it again, I'll give it a 7 overall. That would be 9 for it being an overall interesting story (some really good Star-Trekky ideas), but a 5 for the messiness by which the story was executed.
Maybe this overall messy execution of the stories is part of what led the showrunners Berg and Harberts being let go...Maybe? Hopefully they get back on track later in the season in the story execution department, which would be a good thing since I think the stories themselves have been classic Trek stuff.
Is this their last episode? I know they weren't that far into the season when they were let go.
Edit: Apparently next week is their last episode.
It's actually fine either way. Because you can have degrees using different scales, it's quite acceptable to clarify which scale. It's also fine to just say Kelvin too.
They were fired between production of episodes 5 and 6. But who knows how many episodes were written before they were let go (maybe 3 or 4 more?). With that said, production took a break so maybe some scripts were rewritten. We'll see how long their executive producer credits stay up.
I am curious if there is going to be any noticeable difference. Each episode so far has been different which is a good thing I feel. If they started being one way that could easily be because of how the story is unfolding. The writers stayed the same. The overall story and plot was mapped out before they left. That had to be the case before production even started. Most of the scripts were likely written or almost all done by the time they left. It's 14 episodes. No way they weren't largely done with scripts by the time they were filming episode 4 and 5. Rewrites could still happen but the bulk had to be finished. The pool of directors stayed the same. The lead director and ex producer stayed the same. Kurtzman was always there and helped shape things even if he wasn't there daily.
The team itself didn't break up and was already doing their thing.
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I love the show and I'm enjoying the hell out of this season, but it frustrates me that the episodes, maybe with the exception of "Brother" all seem really crammed and rushed story-wise. And they don't do a great job transitioning between the different plots within an episode.
It's like S1 had a cramped arc with very straight-line episodes. S2 is a straight-line arc, but with very cramped episodes.
It's like S1 had a cramped arc with very straight-line episodes. S2 is a straight-line arc, but with very cramped episodes.
I'm a bit torn on that myself. Having an intelligent species be the prey rather than the predator was a great twist on the norm. Although, they didn't do much with it. Losing that uniqueness . . . agreed, I'm not too sure about. Although, it can open more doors in evolving the character, which can be a great thing. Hopefully they make the most out of it.
This episode moved me to literal tears not just once, but twice. First, when Tilly and Stamets started singing Bowie (it still hurts that he's gone), and then when they managed to genuinely convince me on a visceral level (in spite of knowing better on an intellectual one) that Saru was about to die.
With all of the complaints about "Faith Of The Heart" being used as its theme song, can you imagine what people would be saying about ENT's musical selections if Berman and Braga had capitulated to UPN's suggestion that the "hottest young bands" of the day be featured in weekly performance in the ship's mess hall?
I still wonder if Spock might have sabotaged the Enterprise in some way before he left, having foreseen that she would be sent to investigate the red bursts when they ultimately appeared, and wanting to prevent this, for reasons as yet unknown. Could have been Section 31, too.
In any case, from the standpoint of the 24th century, both of those periods would indeed be considered "ancient," per "The Neutral Zone" (TNG), "A Fistful Of Datas" (TNG), et al.
-MMoM
I doubt it was really about some stuck-up sense of "enlightenment." Besides royalty issues, I think they were hesitant to try to predict which popular music would still be listened to hundreds of years in the future, for fear of whatever they might have picked becoming outdated quickly, as the 1980s and '90s were a period during which contemporary tastes were rapidly expanding and diversifying. Classical music was considered a "safe" choice because it had already lasted for hundreds of years, and thus was already considered timeless. (Plus, it was cheap, too.)That’s true. You don’t.
Perhaps the idea the producers had back in the TNG days was listening to classical music makes you more “enlightened?” I don’t know.
Seriously though, I like that they’re giving more credence to more modern music. I think with as much music as there will be in the 2250s it makes sense that much more than what we consider classical will BE timeless.
With all of the complaints about "Faith Of The Heart" being used as its theme song, can you imagine what people would be saying about ENT's musical selections if Berman and Braga had capitulated to UPN's suggestion that the "hottest young bands" of the day be featured in weekly performance in the ship's mess hall?
To pick a nit, I think he said he "considered" that they might or could be, not that he intended them to be, per se. (Sorry, I know that's probably what you meant.)
I didn't get that impression, exactly. He thought the inflammation of the ganglia was signaling that he was dying. He believed that in the absence of being culled, his "inevitable" death would be preceded by madness and torment unless the ganglia were severed. He wanted her to cut them as a palliative measure, so that he could instead die peacefully. It wasn't the cutting itself that would cause his death. He wasn't asking her to outright euthanize him right then and there (although that might have come next, for all we know, if things hadn't turned out differently), but to accept that the end was near at hand, and that there was no other recourse to be pursued. To "submit." (At least, that's how I read it.)
Possibly, but I have my doubts. Pike suggests them as the culprit, yet it rather seems he's just using that as a convenient excuse to get rid of them, because he doesn't like them anyway, which Number One seems to realize and have predicted. She says no other ship is having similar problems.
I still wonder if Spock might have sabotaged the Enterprise in some way before he left, having foreseen that she would be sent to investigate the red bursts when they ultimately appeared, and wanting to prevent this, for reasons as yet unknown. Could have been Section 31, too.
Probably a standard capability of all windows, like polarizing the viewscreen. The window in Pike's cabin glows green in "The Cage"/"The Menagerie" (TOS):
How do we know they didn't, exactly?
That's what all that brandy they make is for! Also, good for colds.
This group would be neither the first nor the last to be thusly "preserved" though. The Preservers could have been making their rounds for eons before plucking up Miramanee's forebears. And if the Red Angels be one and the same, then it would seem they visited Earth again during WWIII as well.
In any case, from the standpoint of the 24th century, both of those periods would indeed be considered "ancient," per "The Neutral Zone" (TNG), "A Fistful Of Datas" (TNG), et al.
-MMoM
I so agree, treat it like TMP, the tech was always part of the 23rd century.
What next, another reason why female captains exist in Starfleet, why Starfleet is not called the UESPA anymore? Stop giving in universe reasons for production design changes.
How many present day 20 something year old humans have a 300 year old song as their favourite? That scene was too corny
However I give it an 8.5, love Linus, more of him please! The Babel scene was funny, Reno and Stamets mutual hate fest- thumbs up! Finally that scene between Saru and Burnham, there was no dry eye in my house. The Tilly situation, well they had to come up with a way to end spore hopping so its as good as any.
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Reno: The Red Green of Star Trek
Next weeks episode looks like the upside down... Star Trek goes Stranger Things...
It looks very, very similar to that hallucination Stamets had when he first met MU Stamets.
I always had the thought that the classical music was a shorthand way of indicating the crew was cultured and well educated, since that's the popular perception today.
"Skip your ranks. They don't matter."
She probably called the meeting. She's on lead in the Red Angel investigation, which was the topic under discussion.
It's Federation Standard English, no?
-MMoM
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