Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x04 - "An Obol for Charon"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Feb 7, 2019.


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  1. 10 - You're number one!

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  10. 1 - An oddball for sure.

  1. dinzy

    dinzy Commander Red Shirt

    Nov 5, 2015
    Drinking Jippers on a beach somewhere in MD
    Well they need to speak to an audience that might need to be reminded what the Kelvin is. This is true even more so when there is the Kelvin timeline. :nyah:
  2. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 15, 2000
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    1. The ganglia have to be cut out before they fall off to preserve flavour.

    2. The Ganglia fall out, and then the Ba'al have no use for delicious Kelpians, and maybe they don't "dispose" of the remainder Kelpiens to death?

    3. The Ba'al are adult Kelpiens who have lost their threat ganglia. The process of raising the Kelpiens in "private seclusion" before their minds mature after they've stopped being constantly pummelled by threat ganglia hormones, is to protect the Kelpiens early development as "children".
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  3. Awesome Possum

    Awesome Possum Let's Fly Moderator

    Mar 13, 2001
    32nd Century
    Doug Jones knocked it out of the park with that episode, logically I should have known that he wouldn't die. But he really sold it and he really brought the best out of Sonequa Martin-Green. Saru and Michael really have a complicated backstory and I love how we've gotten to see it develop. I'm looking forward to see how this grows as the show goes on. His newfound loss of fear and desire to help his people will be interesting to see unfold as well.

    The sphere plot was a nice twist on the Trek trope of the weird space thingy that traps the ship and how the mystery was solved through empathy. Star Trek has always been more about actually trying to understand the creature and learning what it wants instead of shooting first and asking questions later. Plus it tied into Saru's desire to tell his story after he died which was exactly what the sphere was trying to do by using Saru.

    The subplot with Tilly was good, I really like the relationship that's developing between her and Stamets. Them singing Space Odyssey together was really sweet and I love that they picked it because its one of my favorite songs. All of them tripping at the end was accurate based on my experiences. :p

    I'm guessing that this is going to end up explaining why the spore drive didn't work out. It's either somehow harming the network which is a single sentient entity or multiple entities. It's interesting that this does sort of tie into some of the ideas formulated by Terrance McKenna who was an early advocate of hallucinogenic mushrooms. He was convinced that fungi wasn't native to Earth and were perhaps a form of intelligence, but one on a very different level than us. He claimed that it could possibly communicate with us when ingested which would explain why many who do trip on mushrooms seem to experience very similar things down to the same visuals. They also may have been responsible for the quick development of the brains of early human species. It's a bit off the wall, but I've found it interesting to read about.

    Pike ordering that the holographic communication ripped out of the Enterprise was a fun detail.
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  4. Awesome Possum

    Awesome Possum Let's Fly Moderator

    Mar 13, 2001
    32nd Century
    Given that most of us learn in high school maybe they trusted the intelligence of the audience like Roddenberry used to preach about.
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  5. Visitor1982

    Visitor1982 Captain Captain

    Jun 20, 2004
    The Netherlands
    A 9 from me.
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  6. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

    Apr 23, 2010
    Another solid 10. with last weeks episode, Brother and this week, Season 2 is shaping up exceptionally well. It's just a pity episode 2 happend
  7. Cyrus

    Cyrus Vice Admiral Admiral

    Feb 10, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Considering this is part of an arc I am guessing they will find something about the red angels in the information received from the sphere.

    More Linus please.

    The Ba'ul being the more adult version of Kelpians is an interesting theory. Kind of reminds me of Larry Niven's Protector.
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  8. Lakenheath 72

    Lakenheath 72 Commodore Commodore

    Sep 28, 2014
    An observation here - we are shown two different flight paths for Spock's shuttle into the Beta Quadrant. I am assuming that the path seen in the bridge consoles is the correct one. In that version, Spock's flight path takes him near Starbase 152. This base was mentioned in "Tin Man", as the place where the Enterprise-D goes for repairs after its mission to Beta Stromgren.

    It feels that this series spends a lot of time in the BQ.
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  9. I am not Spock

    I am not Spock Commodore Commodore

    Dec 2, 2001
    An absolute 9 for me. Really enjoyed that episode. This was Trek , through and through. Some excellent character moments, especially between Michael/Saru, and Tilly/Stamets. Doug Jones and SMG knocked it out of the park, performance wise. Nice use of the crew ensemble, some nice humour (loved the tower of Babel Universal Translator malfunction!), just an all round great character piece. With a TNG esque contact with an organic space life form.

    Big improvement, for me, over last week's episode, which felt like a season 1 leftover IMO.

    My only complaint , really, is not enough Number 1. Really good episode
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  10. DEWLine

    DEWLine Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 27, 2003
    Ottawa, Canada
  11. MrPointy

    MrPointy Captain Captain

    Nov 2, 2006
    I'm giving it an 8, but it's a strong 8. Very good episode.
  12. Lior .B.

    Lior .B. Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jun 27, 2003
    Haifa, Israel
    and the tower of Babel voice over was in Hebrew.
  13. MarsWeeps

    MarsWeeps Fleet Captain Premium Member

    Sep 5, 2011
    They missed a great opportunity here. When the ganglia fell off and the scene was finished, they could have shown Burnham leaving the room, stopping at the door, look back at a resting Saru, smile and then as she turns toward the door she could have popped the ganglia in her mouth and start chewing as she exited. :wtf:
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  14. MakeshiftPython

    MakeshiftPython Commodore Commodore

    Oct 10, 2013
    Baja?! I haven't got anything in Baja!
    God damn was that good. I'm just ecstatic to have a weekly Trek series that I'm enjoying on this level. I'm not sure what to add beyond what's already been said.

    I do hope the loss of the ganglia is an indication of Saru's ascending to captain. I look forward to seeing how he copes with the loss of fear, and trying to gauge dangerous situations and not get too cocky. Pike has made a great presence in this second season, but I'm already starting to feel ready to say farewell to his character after this season for Saru to take command.
  15. starri

    starri Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Apr 6, 2006
    New York, NY
    Total 9. And would have been just for the scene with "Space Oddity." Paul and Tilly have had a great big brother/little sister relationship, and that was just the best expression of it. What really sold it was that Paul was obviously scared too, but he was trying to hold it together for her.

    And he and Reno make great frenemies. I was so happy to see her (and Nhan) back. And Dr. Pollard is quickly becoming a favorite as well.

    This is cheesy, but of all the episodes of Disco, this was the most...human.
  16. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Commodore Commodore

    Nov 3, 2009
    previously Mickmike
    A solid 9. Loved everything about this episode.
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  17. Tim Thomason

    Tim Thomason Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 27, 2009
    USS Discovery-A
    That may have been me. Glad to be proven wrong.
  18. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

    Apr 23, 2010
    I can't believe they wasted delicious ganglia like that..
  19. Campe

    Campe Vice Admiral Admiral

    Apr 27, 2001
    Georgiou will never forgive Michael.
  20. XCV330

    XCV330 Premium Member

    Sep 24, 2017
    Jet picks the mushrooms off her pizza too. At last, a Star Trek character I can identify with.
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