Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x01 - "Brother"

[gblews]

I’ve just finished the Burning Dreams novel and there is a interesting element there that since the Talos incident, Pike deep down, thinks that everything that happened since then has been a hallucination and that he never escaped the planet. Makes me wonder if that fortune cookie spooked him more than we thought.

The camera zoomed in to make sure we saw what the fortune said. That means it is important. No doubt it is a portent of things to come.

What if they did a complete reboot of The Menagerie 1 & 2? Not saying they should or will, but that would be interesting, in a forum exploding kind of way.

 

[fireproof78]

Edit: Never Mind.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Not gonna read through 70 pages here.

I liked the look, the music, all the characters, the Enterprise.

The music when Burnham entered Spock‘s quarter was outstanding.
It felt like it wanted to break fully into Spock‘s Theme from old and new movies at the same time.

When she listened to his recording it sounded uncannily like Nimoy-Spock.
So I‘m very optimistic that Peck can sell me on his performance.

 

[Cyrus]

The camera zoomed in to make sure we saw what the fortune said. That means it is important. No doubt it is a portent of things to come.

The fortune cookie also said "not every loss is eternal", probably a reference to Culber.

 

[DigificWriter]

How did so many people miss the fact that Pike is the Captain who was supposed to have been waiting for the Discovery on Vulcan?

He says this explicitly.

I also haven't seen this discussed anywhere else, so I'm going to be the one to mention it:
Information in both Brother and New Eden indicate that there's a six-month time jump in Will You Take My Hand? between when Burnham hands L'Rell the hydro bomb detonator and when the Federation pardons her (Burnham) and awards her and the rest of the Discovery's crew the Medal of Honor, because during that span of time, the "red signals" started appearing and Spock was admitted to the Psych ward on Starbase 5.

 

[Tuskin38]

How did so many people miss the fact that Pike is the Captain who was supposed to have been waiting for the Discovery on Vulcan?

He says this explicitly.

No he doesn’t.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Yeah, I don’t recall him specifically saying that he was going to be the same captain they were to pick up on Vulcan at all.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

He'll never be over Rigel VII

Surely you can't be serious.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Surely you can't be serious.

I am. And don't call me Shirley.

 

[Mudd]

How did so many people miss the fact that Pike is the Captain who was supposed to have been waiting for the Discovery on Vulcan?

He says this explicitly.

I also haven't seen this discussed anywhere else, so I'm going to be the one to mention it:
Information in both Brother and New Eden indicate that there's a six-month time jump in Will You Take My Hand? between when Burnham hands L'Rell the hydro bomb detonator and when the Federation pardons her (Burnham) and awards her and the rest of the Discovery's crew the Medal of Honor, because during that span of time, the "red signals" started appearing and Spock was admitted to the Psych ward on Starbase 5.

Because you're wrong. It's not so.

 

[DigificWriter]

Because you're wrong.

I'm not wrong, actually, at least based on how things were presented.

When you look at what is presented in "Brother" in the context of "Will You Take My Hand?" and the confirmed fact that Season 1's entire narrative arc was "reverse-engineered" from the moment where the Discovery and Enterprise meet, it's clear that Pike was going to take command of the Discovery one way or the other.

 

[matthunter]

I'm not wrong, actually, at least based on how things were presented.

When you look at what is presented in "Brother" in the context of "Will You Take My Hand?" and the confirmed fact that Season 1's entire narrative arc was "reverse-engineered" from the moment where the Discovery and Enterprise meet, it's clear that Pike was going to take command of the Discovery one way or the other.

No, it is not clear. If it were, you would not be having to reach so fucking much, nor have so many folk arguing it.

Right now, you are the ONLY one here who thinks this is the case.

If you want to believe that makes you the special genius who knows truths unseen by others, knock yourself out.

Please.

 

[XCV330]

How did so many people miss the fact that Pike is the Captain who was supposed to have been waiting for the Discovery on Vulcan?

He says this explicitly.

I also haven't seen this discussed anywhere else, so I'm going to be the one to mention it:
Information in both Brother and New Eden indicate that there's a six-month time jump in Will You Take My Hand? between when Burnham hands L'Rell the hydro bomb detonator and when the Federation pardons her (Burnham) and awards her and the rest of the Discovery's crew the Medal of Honor, because during that span of time, the "red signals" started appearing and Spock was admitted to the Psych ward on Starbase 5.

I looked back. I still don't get at impression.

 

[DigificWriter]

If people are so convinced that I'm wrong, I invite them m to offer up a different rationale for why the producers and writers of DSC sent the ship to Vulcan in WYTMH? when by their own admission they had reverse-engineered all of Season 1 so that it led up to the moment of the Discovery and the Enterprise meeting.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm not wrong,

You're not right either. There's no evidence against OR for your argument.

when by their own admission they had reverse-engineered all of Season 1 so that it led up to the moment of the Discovery and the Enterprise meeting.

They didn't reverse engineer the entire Season for the Enterprise.

 

[Noname Given]

How did so many people miss the fact that Pike is the Captain who was supposed to have been waiting for the Discovery on Vulcan?

He says this explicitly.

I also haven't seen this discussed anywhere else, so I'm going to be the one to mention it:
Information in both Brother and New Eden indicate that there's a six-month time jump in Will You Take My Hand? between when Burnham hands L'Rell the hydro bomb detonator and when the Federation pardons her (Burnham) and awards her and the rest of the Discovery's crew the Medal of Honor, because during that span of time, the "red signals" started appearing and Spock was admitted to the Psych ward on Starbase 5.

No you're 100% wrong as IN DIALOGUE Pike states he was ordered to take Command of Discovery by Starfleet to investigate the one signal they have a location for; and during his speech on the Bridge where he takes command from Saru, he mentions that he knows they were on their way to Vulcan to pick up their new Captain. IE - The new/permanent Captain was NOT EVER MEANT to be Pike.

 

[DigificWriter]

They didn't reverse engineer the entire Season for the Enterprise.

Yes, they did; they flat-out stated this on After Trek.

 

[Tuskin38]

he mentions that he knows they were on their way to Vulcan to pick up their new Captain. IE - The new/permanent Captain was NOT EVER MEANT to be Pike.

Yep

Yes, they did; they flat-out stated this on After Trek.

I think you just misunderstood what they were saying.

 

[DaveyNY]

If people are so convinced that I'm wrong, I invite them m to offer up a different rationale for why the producers and writers of DSC sent the ship to Vulcan in WYTMH? when by their own admission they had reverse-engineered all of Season 1 so that it led up to the moment of the Discovery and the Enterprise meeting.

To give Sarek a ride home.
Which became a moot point when the Enterprise couldn't finish the mission it and Pike were assigned to do.

If Discovery were the intended ship that Pike was supposed to use, then why have him already out there trying to figure the Red Spots out with the Enterprise?
It became an EMERGENCY and therefore Pike was given permission by StarFleet to COMMANDEER the Discovery.
You don't send a ship specifically to a planet to meet up with another ship in distress.
That's very illogical thinking.

 

[DigificWriter]

I think you just misunderstood what they were saying.

The producers' comments about Season 1 and the meeting between the Enterprise and the Discovery were brought to my attention courtesy of the DiscoTrek podcast and its co-host Heather Barker, first during an in-depth discussion on Will You Take My Hand and then again during an in-depth discussion of the first season as a whole, so, no, I didn't "misunderstand what the producers were saying".

Both episodes can be found here, BTW:
Will You Take My Hand? Discussion - http://www.thetricordertransmissions.com/episode.php?ep=DT015
Season 1 Discussion - http://www.thetricordertransmissions.com/episode.php?ep=DT016