Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x11 - "The Wolf Inside"

[oberth]

... well, is there any canon for klingon dialects? (as a matter of fact the diversity in terran languages is called 'special' in at least one ent-book.
... and why start those who look strange to talk strange as well now.

... i hate to hand ammunition to the reboot-folks

 

[oberth]

good point. I have a hard time understanding people from Northern Germany, even though they allegedly speak the same language as me

di saupreisn versteht eh koaner

 

[Hythlodeus]

... well, is there any canon for klingon dialects?

IIRC Okrand and others handwaved the mispronounciations away by stating that different languages exist.
Other than that, of course, is the fact that living languages evolve and change. We don't speak the same way our grand-grandfathers spoke. we use different words or give them different meanings, we adopt words from other languages and make them our own, and we pronounce words a different way they were pronounced 200 years ago.
So it is not unusual to see different pronounciations of Klingon words in the 23rd century and in the 24th

 

[CaptainMurdock]

btw, what's the deal with Voq pronouncing Kahless "Kahlesh?" Weird.

I think Klingons were big into Sean Connery in that decade.

 

[Jack Watkins]

I never thought to ask, but is this actually, factual Klingonese in Discovery?

 

[oberth]

I never thought to ask, but is this actually, factual Klingonese in Discovery?

hard to say - as nobody ever actually or factually met a klingon it's probably not more than a rather well conducted approach to their language

 

[Refuge]

hard to say - as nobody ever actually or factually met a klingon it's probably not more than a rather well conducted approach to their language

I remember an episode of 'Fraiser' where he spoke Klingon because he thought it was Hebrew.

 

[Refuge]

Frasier: Pookh lod wih le koo. Hach jahj cho-koov-moakh leng-lidge
loo-Teb-jahj leng widge-vahd bel rahp shoave dah-nobe-poo-
boagh.

 

[Hythlodeus]

it certainly is the same language that those filthy Hoomans try to sell as Klingonese with their fake backwards translations of the Gilgamesh epos or Shakespeare

 

[137th Gebirg]

It is clearly the idiotic SJW's who are finally getting around the showing the world that the Klingon race and its language have been culuturally appropriated by filthy human actors and writers who have been intentionally mispronouncing the words for over 50 years. Clearly, such a blatant disregard for the poor maligned Klingons for far too long.

And for anyone who actually thinks I'm serious about that paragraph, I have a bridge available for sale in Kansas.

 

[fireproof78]

IIRC Okrand and others handwaved the mispronounciations away by stating that different languages exist.
Other than that, of course, is the fact that living languages evolve and change. We don't speak the same way our grand-grandfathers spoke. we use different words or give them different meanings, we adopt words from other languages and make them our own, and we pronounce words a different way they were pronounced 200 years ago.
So it is not unusual to see different pronounciations of Klingon words in the 23rd century and in the 24th

More than that, it is ridiculous to expect a language, culture or species to be static.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I never thought to ask, but is this actually, factual Klingonese in Discovery?

The actors seem to take their Klingon seriously based on what I've seen on After Trek. I assume it Okrund's version.

It is clearly the idiotic SJW's who are finally getting around the showing the world that the Klingon race and its language have been culuturally appropriated by filthy human actors and writers who have been intentionally mispronouncing the words for over 50 years. Clearly, such a blatant disregard for the poor maligned Klingons for far too long.

And for anyone who actually thinks I'm serious about that paragraph, I have a bridge available for sale in Kansas.

Kansesh. Glory to his house.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

it is but as i said kirk might mispronuonce him but klingons? we are talking klingons here not terrans. how many americans say avram linkholm?

Names can have more than 1 pronunciation. When I talk about the king of the Netherlands in Dutch, I say 'Willem Alegzander', when I do it in english, I might just as easily say 'William Alexander'.

And that's on top of the obvious issues regarding possible klingon dialects and simple pronunciation changes over time (100 years is nothing to sneeze at).

 

[Prax]

1. He isn't saying "Kahlesh"
(he is trying to say "Kahless")
2. Klingon is not a real language(Nope! Don't even!)
3. Klingon words depend on what's been shown on screen. Seriously, what does Bagh Da tuHmoh ChojaH Duh rHo mean? They are made up words.
4. If you say, "finally, they say Kahless correctly," and then say "There are obviously differing dialects," that is a contradiction.

 

[keoluperalto]

...considering that MU Sarek is part of the rebellion against the Empire [how very Star Wars-ish], what's the deal with MU Spock? Unless I'm missing something from TOS...

Explain.

 

[XCV330]

...considering that MU Sarek is part of the rebellion against the Empire [how very Star Wars-ish], what's the deal with MU Spock? Unless I'm missing something from TOS...

Explain.

Terran Empire predates Star Wars. How very Trek
and while MU Spock doesn't speak of Sarek, he himself takes over and reforms the empire, eventually.

 

[XCV330]

1. He isn't saying "Kahlesh"
(he is trying to say "Kahless")
2. Klingon is not a real language(Nope! Don't even!)
3. Klingon words depend on what's been shown on screen. Seriously, what does Bagh Da tuHmoh ChojaH Duh rHo mean? They are made up words.
4. If you say, "finally, they say Kahless correctly," and then say "There are obviously differing dialects," that is a contradiction.

I don't know about contradictions but there is an established Klingon lanaguage, a constructed language but in that regard no different than Esperanto, Ido or others, and much more developed than the elvish languages in Lord of the Rings.
Anyway, to hear how the sound would
https://www.kli.org/about-klingon/sounds-of-klingon/

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qeylIS should have a sorta-sh shound on the end

 

[Search4]

Terran Empire predates Star Wars. How very Trek
and while MU Spock doesn't speak of Sarek, he himself takes over and reforms the empire, eventually.

He rebelled against Sarek - again - to work for the Empire. When does Spock ever do what Sarek wants?

 

[fireproof78]

He rebelled against Sarek - again - to work for the Empire. When does Spock ever do what Sarek wants?

We haven't seen that universe yet.

 

[137th Gebirg]

2. Klingon is not a real language(Nope! Don't even!)

The Illinois state government seems to think it is.

http://www.popculthq.com/2017/09/26/klingon-recognized-government/