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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"

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It's entirely possible that there is a very severe short-term shortage. The one data point we have is that they lost 8000 or so. That might create a severe shortage in the short run. So, they move cadets onto the ships as needed. However, 8000 in the grand scheme of things is huge. So, they can regain that easily enough during peace time.

I don't think we know enough either way to be honest. As you say, we may well get more data.

8,000 is less than the compliment of two aircraft carriers, though. For the US Navy, yeah, that would've been a pretty big dent. For a multiparsec, multispecies democracy with umpteen-odd fleets...? I am not saying it's peanuts, by any stretch of the imagination, but...

The idea of a short-term shortage in a specific discipline is an interesting idea, though, and I like it. Say, Starfleet Corps of Engineers took too many hits and they need every able-bodied engineer. We are uncertain where the Crossfield-class ships were, as far as the org chart goes. Perhaps...the Corps of Engineers vice the main fleet...?

Something to think about, at least. Bow-ties nicely with the experimental nature of the design and the presence of an inexperienced engineer not-yet-out-of-the-academy, too.
 
I'm also thinking that either in the finale or next season, Burnham will have to mutiny again, overthrowing Lorca and becoming Captain of Discovery... (or everybody else will, and make assumptions about which way she'll jump)

Interesting theory that could well occur. I had thoughts that Lorca might pull a Matt Decker and sacrifice himself in a manner that doesn't save the day but shows others what they need to do--of which Burnham will play a large and possibly leading role.

I also suspect that Tilly will die and that the upbeat Federation we see in later series is built in honor/memory of Tilly to some extent. Do it for Tilly so her sacrifice/loss has meaning. This is what she would've wanted.
 
They lost over 8000 in the first two days of the conflict. Who knows how many they have lost by now, 7 months on.
 
He's sleeping with a phaser under his pillow. He has went cuckoo for Cocoa-Puffs, and she knows it.

Well, to be fair, it's not like he's walking around shooting people.

Yes, Lorca sleeps with a phaser, and yes, he did freak out at Cornwell in bed. But she did wake him up without warning by poking around at his scars. So it's understandable that he was a bit on edge. Isn't that a symptom of PTSD - reacting immediately and forcefully at being awoken by unexpected things?

That said, I rather think Cornwell will be a bit more understanding of Lorca's condition once she returns from Klingon captivity.
 
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Tilly is so green and socially awkward she can't remember not to drop the F-bomb in a professional environment, yet they're trusting her to keep Starfleet's greatest secret. :lol:

I have been in a so many briefings where various GOFOs (general/flag officers) have dropped the f-bomb, I didn't blink an eye at that one, to be honest!
 
8,000 is less than the compliment of two aircraft carriers, though.

The idea of a short-term shortage in a specific discipline is an interesting idea, though, and I like it.

Something to think about, at least. Bow-ties nicely with the experimental nature of the design and the presence of an inexperienced engineer not-yet-out-of-the-academy, too
Star Ships are far smaller. Pike has 200ish. Lorca 100 something. Kirk's had relatively many at 430 or thereabouts. All numbers are rough from my memory! 8000 is huge compared to that!

Plus, it really comes down to how large each year's class is at the Academy. And, as you say, maybe there are shortages in specific areas.

I don't know what the answer is specifically, but in general I don't find it hard to believe that there'd be reason to move a few cadets to the ships. Particularly given the sudden transition from peace to war time with relatively large losses (the crew of ~40 ships).
 
He's sleeping with a phaser under his pillow. He has went cuckoo for Cocoa-Puffs, and she knows it.

Do you know how many people did something like that Downrange or, at least, within easy reach? Or how many people who have a gun at home do so now? To me, that "revelation" was a bit of a yawner and the surprise for me was that so many people thought that was prima facie evidence of craziness. Different perspective.
 
Do you know how many people did something like that Downrange or, at least, within easy reach? Or how many people who have a gun at home do so now? To me, that "revelation" was a bit of a yawner and the surprise for me was that so many people thought that was prima facie evidence of craziness. Different perspective.

He damn near shot her in the face (God that sounds wrong). There is something loose upstairs.
 
Well, to be fair, it's not like he's walking around shooting people.

Yes, he sleeps with a phaser, and yes, he did freak out at Cornwell in bed. But she did wake him up without warning by poking around at his scars. So it's understandable that he was a bit on edge. Isn't that a symptom of PTSD - reacting immediately and forcefully at being awoken by unexpected things?

That said, I rather think Cornwell will be a bit more understanding of Lorca's condition once she returns from Klingon captivity.

Yes, hyperarousal is a symptom of both PTSD and acute stress disorder. But there has to be more than that before you hang either of those diagnoses on him. If you've had an abusive childhood, you could have hyperarousal as an adult, without having PTSD.
 
Yes, hyperarousal is a symptom of both PTSD and acute stress disorder. But there has to be more than that before you hang either of those diagnoses on him. If you've had an abusive childhood, you could have hyperarousal as an adult, without having PTSD.

I believe it would be enough, along with him disobeying orders (which she mentions) to relieve him of command.
 
So, I almost tried to watch io9's review video of "Lethe" but I couldn't even get past the description leading into the video: "Speaking of trauma, Lorca also gets his past dissected and goes full sociopath to save his captaincy." That is pure Katherine Trendacosta speak there. I bet in the video she 100% believes that Lorca knowingly and willingly sent Cornwell to the negotiations in order to get her killed. There is no room in Katherine's head for the possibilities that Lorca might not be a psycho and that he might have supported (not ordered cause he is just a captain) her going on the mission to make peace because it was the right thing. And she will in no way consider that at the time there was no belief that it was a mission any more dangerous than any other. If anyone manages to watch it, let me know if I am wrong.

Last I checked, she thought Lorca was an "idiot". It was a totally useless and shallow review, if you ask me. Not going there again.
 
He damn near shot her in the face (God that sounds wrong). There is something loose upstairs.

And I would say, if she was a psychiatrist and she suspected he had either PTSD or, since it's only been a week since he came back, an acute stress disorder, then she should have known he might have reacted that way and she damned well deserved the scare she got. That, though, was simply bad writing, the creators trying to be edgelords and all. A real psychiatrist or psychologist would not have done practically any of the things Cornwell did.
 
Do you know how many people did something like that Downrange or, at least, within easy reach? Or how many people who have a gun at home do so now? To me, that "revelation" was a bit of a yawner and the surprise for me was that so many people thought that was prima facie evidence of craziness. Different perspective.

Sure, people today do that (in those places where people have guns at home).

But people centuries from now from a united Earth -- with no domestic warfare, poverty, crime and violence -- are supposed to be more civilized and advanced than us mouth-breathing 21st-century primitives.

Lorca appears to be emotionally troubled to a degree that is no longer considered appropriate in the 23rd century.

Kor
 
I'm going to give Lorca the benefit of the doubt and assume that he wasn't purposely sending Cornwell to her doom.

And isn't it Cornwell's call anyway, since she outranks Lorca?

Cornwell is the most senior officer present, so I can only assume that the reason she attended the negotiations (or what she thought would be negotiations) is because it was her idea to do so. Lorca couldn't force her to go.
 
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