Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"

[indranee]

Hell, if she'd been there NOT as his friend it would have gone better for her and him both.

A not-friend wouldn't have blown up at him having a PTSD attack but handled it professionally.

If you're having doubts that someone is not functioning "professionally", why would you bring up your "relationship" details from the past AND then sleep with them unless your intent is to catch them with their pants down (so to speak).

Lorca is NOT behaving normally, but let us not forget that Cornwell doesn't have clean hands either (tardigrade experiments anyone?)

 

[Kor]

And isn't it Cornwell's call anyway, since she outranks Lorca?

Yeah, but Lorca probably sold her on the idea. He seems to have that kind of way with people... another way in which he is the Don Draper of Star Trek.

Kor

 

[indranee]

How many episodes are we supposed to give it?

How many did you give TNG before you stopped watching it altogether?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Lorca probably sold her on the idea. He seems to have that kind of way with people... another way in which he is the Don Draper of Star Trek.

Cornwell does not strike me as the type who would be easily swayed. Not even by somebody as manipulative as Lorca.

I mean, Cornwell herself is obviously intelligent, experienced and perceptive, and also her previous relationship with Lorca would make her aware of his "tells". You can't be as easily manipulated by somebody you already know and are intimately familiar with.

Can we have some location shooting soon, please?

They already have. The Vulcan scenes were filmed at Toronto's Aga Khan Museum.

 

[The Memetic Susurrus]

Sure, people today do that (in those places where people have guns at home).

But people centuries from now from a united Earth -- with no domestic warfare, poverty, crime and violence -- are supposed to be more civilized and advanced than us mouth-breathing 21st-century primitives.

Lorca appears to be emotionally troubled to a degree that is no longer considered appropriate in the 23rd century.

Kor

I never got the impression, certainly not from TOS or TAS, that the United Earth was a utopia. It aspired to be one, sure. But it wasn't there, yet. They still have lawyers, hence, lawbreakers. They still have psychiatrists and psychologists, hence, still mental disorders. Still looks like the same ole' humanity to me as it has always been.

Even in TNG, where we get Picard's (really, Roddenberry's) pretentious utopianism in Season 1 and, to a certain extent, 2, there's still enough evidence to show that humanity, though more advanced, is still, fundamentally, humanity. If you hypothesize that resource scarcity is one of the primary causes for crime and social dysfunction then, yeah, the development of replicator type tech and its antecedents are going to solve a lot of problems...but by no means all of them.

 

[BillJ]

How many did you give TNG before you stopped watching it altogether?

I actually liked TNG right from "Encounter at Farpoint".

 

[Jadeb]

I actually liked TNG right from "Encounter at Farpoint".

People keep comparing the early episodes of the two series, but they have entirely different missions. TNG was desperate to convince the audience it *was* Star Trek, while Discovery aims to convince the audience it's *not* your father's Star Trek.

 

[indranee]

I actually liked TNG right from "Encounter at Farpoint".

Liar

 

[Leonardo T. Dragon]

They lost over 8000 in the first two days of the conflict. Who knows how many they have lost by now, 7 months on.

This brings up an interesting point. There's a war on but we've seen remarkably little of it. We spent more time with the tardigrade than we have on the actual war itself. Apparently battles are happening, etc. but we've seen so little of it.

 

[BillJ]

Liar

I really did. I was sixteen and TNG was my first new Trek. As I've gotten older, I have less patience to wait around for things to get engaging. Right now? Isaacs acting is pretty much carrying Discovery for me. If/when he is written off, I'll have a tough time giving up an hour for the show.

 

[The Memetic Susurrus]

I really did. I was sixteen and TNG was my first new Trek. As I've gotten older, I have less patience to wait around for things to get engaging. Right now? Isaacs acting is pretty much carrying Discovery for me. If/when he is written off, I'll have a tough time giving up an hour for the show.

This. In a major way. I am hoping they do not do that but, I suspect, that is in the cards. If you take him out, I am not sure I see too many other characters that have the weight to carry on a nuanced performance. That may change, of course. We are only a few shows in, but, aside from Stamets--who had to grow on me--it's slim pickings for me.

I know I'll continue to watch--I've been a Trekker from birth--but I find myself in the odd position of having to work hard to find some of the characters enjoyable to watch. I'll give it time. I have faith they'll grow. It's just that awkward early-series phase we know so well.

 

[Longinus]

Sure, people today do that (in those places where people have guns at home).

But people centuries from now from a united Earth -- with no domestic warfare, poverty, crime and violence -- are supposed to be more civilized and advanced than us mouth-breathing 21st-century primitives.

I'm European. I'd consider sleeping a gun under your pillow to be a sure sign of being utterly loco.

 

[indranee]

a few thoughts after a second watching last night:

-does anyone remember T'Pol running in ANIS?

-I like how they gave Michael a set of Vulcan eyebrows in the scene with Amanda and Sarek (younger Michael wearing the Vulcan robe)

-I can easily see Michael and Saru mutinying against Lorca at the end of the season (no more Klingon war next season from what I hear) and Lorca removed. But man oh man -- Jason Isaacs runs rings around them both in the acting/magnetism department. Are they sure they wanna get rid of the character completely?!

-DIS is now number one in both overall and digitals, btw
https://www.parrotanalytics.com/ins...demand-tv-shows-in-the-us-15-21-october-2017/

 

[Kor]

Personally, I forced myself to watch all seven seasons of TNG because, at the time, I was caught up in the hype and I had convinced myself that I liked it. Now, it's the Trek series that I revisit the least.

I also faithfully watched every single episode of VOY for seven long years, hoping that it would get better at some point. It didn't.

I don't give shows that kind of chance anymore.

I never got the impression, certainly not from TOS or TAS, that the United Earth was a utopia. It aspired to be one, sure. But it wasn't there, yet. They still have lawyers, hence, lawbreakers. They still have psychiatrists and psychologists, hence, still mental disorders. Still looks like the same ole' humanity to me as it has always been.

Even in TNG, where we get Picard's (really, Roddenberry's) pretentious utopianism in Season 1 and, to a certain extent, 2, there's still enough evidence to show that humanity, though more advanced, is still, fundamentally, humanity. If you hypothesize that resource scarcity is one of the primary causes for crime and social dysfunction then, yeah, the development of replicator type tech and its antecedents are going to solve a lot of problems...but by no means all of them.

Of course TOS humanity isn't perfect. But as Kirk said, by that time humans decided "I will not kill today." If Kirk or anyone else on TOS slept with a phaser under his pillow, something would be very wrong.

I'm European. I'd consider sleeping a gun under your pillow to be a sure sign of being utterly loco.

I wonder if anyone in Switzerland sleeps with a gun under their pillow. I doubt it.

Kor

 

[Gonzo]

a few thoughts after a second watching last night:

-does anyone remember T'Pol running in ANIS?

-I like how they gave Michael a set of Vulcan eyebrows in the scene with Amanda and Sarek (younger Michael wearing the Vulcan robe)

-I can easily see Michael and Saru mutinying against Lorca at the end of the season (no more Klingon war next season from what I hear) and Lorca removed. But man oh man -- Jason Isaacs runs rings around them both in the acting/magnetism department. Are they sure they wanna get rid of the character completely?!

-DIS is now number one in both overall and digitals, btw
https://www.parrotanalytics.com/ins...demand-tv-shows-in-the-us-15-21-october-2017/

Lorca is definitely making the running so far, they may be watching to see which characters are liked the most by the fans, I cant see them getting rid of him and if they do it will weaken the show.

He may be too strong a character for them to ditch, that's assuming they intend to do that anyway.

He is by far the most realistic of all of them although Burnham and Saru are growing on me.

 

[Freman]

Cornwell does not strike me as the type who would be easily swayed. Not even by somebody as manipulative as Lorca.

I mean, Cornwell herself is obviously intelligent, experienced and perceptive, and also her previous relationship with Lorca would make her aware of his "tells". You can't be as easily manipulated by somebody you already know and are intimately familiar with.



They already have. The Vulcan scenes were filmed at Toronto's Aga Khan Museum.

Ok, location shooting that isn't filtered and cgi'd so much. Y'know, so we can tell they are actually outside?

 

[indranee]

I can see them going with a mutiny with Burnham and Saru on one side, and Voq on the other -- creating a wedge between Voq and Burnham (assuming they keep going with the two coming closer). Realistically, they can do a pretty interesting story arc with Lorca being tried and then treated and still have him be in the show, and Saru taking over command of the ship with Burnham in conflict with him every step of the way. If they don't do the war any more, there's plenty of story material there.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Liar

I liked encounter at farpoint, it was most of the rest of season 1 I thought was hard to watch.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Can we have some location shooting soon, please?

I know I've seen pictures of our crew making their way through a forest setting, but I couldn't find them in my admittedly brief search. Anyway, location shots are coming.

But of course, you know that's just going to make people complain that alien planets don't look like Southern California anymore.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Of course TOS humanity isn't perfect. But as Kirk said, by that time humans decided "I will not kill today." If Kirk or anyone else on TOS slept with a phaser under his pillow, something would be very wrong.

Something wrong, like a War?