Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"
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Stamettes?
Are you talking about TAS holographic tech or DSC? I don't remember Lorca or Tyler talking about frigid environmental settings inside the Discovery holographic simulator.
TAS.
Thought so. It's easy to forget that TAS used early holodeck-style technology more than a decade before the premiere of TNG. I certainly do!
The conflicts/non-conflicts really don't bother me. What bothers me is trying to shoehorn a rather dull war story into the years before TOS.
If one is doing a modern war story, I want to see it all hang out. I want Klingon legions marching across the sands of Vulcan, battles above and on Earth, stars being snuffed out, Pike sacrificing the Enterprise to save Andor. I want it to be visceral and exciting.
What we have is something trying to nip around the edges and not shake the universe up in any meaningful way. It is just boring. Isaacs is the only thing about the show I find interesting.
My view w/ Star Trek is that if TAS wasn't canon then the holodeck and other technology in ENT we don't see in TOS can be explained by, "This is a warship, we don't actually have room for an entertainment center."
It's canonizing the Klingon-Federation War from FASA and Trek fanon.
Why not let them tell the story they want to tell first before we judge it.
It's been five episodes.
In previous Treks?
1. Wesley meets a Space Hobo Sex Predator
2. O'Brien and The Running Man
3. The God Awful Terra Nova episode
It's canonizing the Klingon-Federation War from FASA and Trek fanon.
Why not let them tell the story they want to tell first before we judge it.
It's been five episodes.
In previous Treks?
1. Wesley meets a Space Hobo Sex Predator
2. O'Brien and The Running Man
3. The God Awful Terra Nova episode
But the Enterprise wasn't a warship, it was a multi-mission type vessel on deep space assignment. It would be a prime candidate for holographic entertainment facilities.
How many episodes are we supposed to give it?
Speaking as someone familiar with the Navy, it has a history of making remarkable blunders on keeping their soldiers occupied.
I gave it one to catch my attention and keep me entertained--which it did.
I'm curious if your standards are more than "It amused me for an hour."
That is the prime standard. I watch TV to be entertained. Star Trek gets some leeway that it probably shouldn't. But the days of waiting around for three years for it to get interesting are long gone.
You're entitled to not watch it and that's perfectly valid. I stopped watching Voyager because it was boring me to tears.
I'm just saying DISC is keeping me interested and I'm willing to give it a season before judging what is clearly a planning arc versus episodic goodness.
You're obviously going strong with it! Doesn't seem like your about to give on it. Can't be too bad then.
Fortunately most of the reviews are good. I'm quite enjoying it. YMMV of course. But, I'm not finding it dull at all. It's true, it's not like older Trek and some viewers are having difficulty adapting. That's to be expected.
I was sucked in with the third episode myself. I thought the first two were good but not fantastic either. But, the show really picked up with the third episode and I look forward to it every week. So, it's way ahead of where say TNG was in its first season. By far.
Shoot if I gave up on a show everytime it wasn't as good as TNG at it's height in a handful of episodes there is a lot of good TV I'd never have watched.
So, I suspect that when they update the online quizzes of "which Trek Captain are you?" I'm going to be outed as Lorca all over the place...
Saw the end coming a mile off, but it was also nice to see them follow on from plotlines from Enterprise and TOS, have some really quotable lines, and, hey, next week is a time loop episode...
Obviously the food machines are made by the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation too. And, from experience, what the new security chief said about what you think when "close to death" - think about who you love, yeah, but about things you wish you'd done different? Not really. Ripper Street had it more accurate (for me, anyway) when Drake died- just "no more fight", yeah OK it's game over, just want to sleep now. (Hey, saturday's the second anniversary of my bleeding to death - I know whereof I speak)
I'm also thinking that either in the finale or next season, Burnham will have to mutiny again, overthrowing Lorca and becoming Captain of Discovery... (or everybody else will, and make assumptions about which way she'll jump)
Saw the end coming a mile off, but it was also nice to see them follow on from plotlines from Enterprise and TOS, have some really quotable lines, and, hey, next week is a time loop episode...
Obviously the food machines are made by the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation too. And, from experience, what the new security chief said about what you think when "close to death" - think about who you love, yeah, but about things you wish you'd done different? Not really. Ripper Street had it more accurate (for me, anyway) when Drake died- just "no more fight", yeah OK it's game over, just want to sleep now. (Hey, saturday's the second anniversary of my bleeding to death - I know whereof I speak)
I'm also thinking that either in the finale or next season, Burnham will have to mutiny again, overthrowing Lorca and becoming Captain of Discovery... (or everybody else will, and make assumptions about which way she'll jump)
From the little snipettes we've seen the of maps, it doesn't look like the FLOT (forward line of own troops) is all that different from peacetime but, granted, we haven't seen a point-by-point in-canon cartography of the war over time.
I respectfully submit that what militates against your interpretation, however, is the paucity of evidence of just such a devastating Federation/Klingon War in canon. TOS is literally ten years from now. Ten years after a conflict that went to total mobilisation would've left marks all over the culture, marks which would've been commented upon by the characters in TOS, particularly since they would've undoubtedly served in it.
Unless the creators want to hit a great big reset button at the end of Season 1, what this looks like is a sharp, brutal conflict of limited duration and not a WWII-style, multi-campaign slog requiring full mobilisation.
Of course, that's my assessment today. Who knows? Next week we could get more data and we'll have to reassess. I'm just saying, right now, I don't see any evidence of the need to put midshipmen on ships of the line, experimental or otherwise.
Now, Tilly may, as others have suggested--and as Mary, herself, suggested--be special, in that she has a set of particular skills that were identified by the Academy at the behest of either Starfleet Command or Capt. Lorca. And although she's in her "fourth year" at the Academy, that could be any time turning that year. She might literally be missing her graduation ceremony, in which case she's an ensign-in-all-but-name and then I could see this as a somewhat reasonable--though still a bit hackneyed--explanation for her presence on the Discovery. If she's at the beginning of her fourth year, though...it's still a bit anomalous, in my head.
Whatever the case may be, we'll get more data as we move along.
It's entirely possible that there is a very severe short-term shortage. The one data point we have is that they lost 8000 or so. That might create a severe shortage in the short run. So, they move cadets onto the ships as needed. However, 8000 in the grand scheme of things is huge. So, they can regain that easily enough during peace time.
I don't think we know enough either way to be honest. As you say, we may well get more data.
One of the many reasons why I thought she was on a fishing expedition, just looking for things to fit her preconceived notions of what she thought was going on. And if she really thought he was a threat to himself and others, she would, ethically and morally, be compelled to remove him from command immediately. She didn't. Ergo, it was a shot across the bow, she knew she'd have to do better than that in order to make it stick. He'd fight it and, because of their tangled relationship, I suspect he would've won. She needed to get some way to get him fully evaluated by a neutral party. She could, in theory, now go back to Starfleet, plead her case, and they could order him back.
'Course, none of that is necessarily happening now...
I realize the ending is open to interpretation. But it seems obvious to me. Then again it could be curve ball. I hope the truth is not that obvious.
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