As pointed out above, Stamets is the navigator and says as much in the episode.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"
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As pointed out above, Stamets is the navigator and says as much in the episode.
I will admit there were a lot of hints in Sunday's episode that Lorca might have been replaced. The fortune cookie thing, not remembering an emotionally significant night with Cornwell, and his character seeming very "off" from prior portrayals.
Nonetheless, I have three big issues with the possibility.
1. It would mean that Voq (or whoever) would have to have extensive surgery/genetic reconstruction done not in a matter of weeks (as with Ash Tyler) but a matter of hours.
2. It still doesn't explain why Ash Tyler lied about being on the prison ship and a captive of L'Rell for seven months.
3. Most importantly, if Lorca has been replaced by a Klingon agent, the Klingons have already won! Seriously folks, they have placed an agent as the captain of the most advanced ship in Starfleet, with access to the shroom drive. They also now have oodles of intelligence as to the current location of federation deployments. The rational action for the Klingons would be to immediately order fake Lorca to take the ship into a situation where it can be ambushed and captured with minimal damage. The risk of exposure from delaying this action is not worth the reward of slowly getting access to further Federation intelligence.
Nonetheless, I have three big issues with the possibility.
1. It would mean that Voq (or whoever) would have to have extensive surgery/genetic reconstruction done not in a matter of weeks (as with Ash Tyler) but a matter of hours.
2. It still doesn't explain why Ash Tyler lied about being on the prison ship and a captive of L'Rell for seven months.
3. Most importantly, if Lorca has been replaced by a Klingon agent, the Klingons have already won! Seriously folks, they have placed an agent as the captain of the most advanced ship in Starfleet, with access to the shroom drive. They also now have oodles of intelligence as to the current location of federation deployments. The rational action for the Klingons would be to immediately order fake Lorca to take the ship into a situation where it can be ambushed and captured with minimal damage. The risk of exposure from delaying this action is not worth the reward of slowly getting access to further Federation intelligence.
You missed my point. I am bolding the important part:
"And of course Voq/Tyler aren't played by two POC like most thought before the series started."
Somebody else already mentioned that Saavik was called mister in Star Trek II. I didn't know this before. I never watched the movie in English and in the dubbed version I am familiar with she was called Lieutenant instead. I am kind of glad they changed it. Calling a woman mister just sounds wrong to my ears.
In response to #3, that would mean handing over the ship to Kol which is probably not what Voq would like to do. Maybe he has a bigger plan to take over the empire himself. Remember, Voq and Kol are enemies, not friends.
Yeah, I guess I was forgetting the serial nature of the episodes.
The producers admitted it was a wrong name and the incorrect terminology made it into the final prints of those productions. Good enough for me. Besides, before 2001 no Klingon ship in the history of the franchise had ever been called a Warbird. They said it was a screwup. Works for me.
Expect a three-episode arc to explain this in the future.
Voyager used sir and mister for female officers, Janeway said it was protocol. Though they dropped it after a while.
Star Trek also isn’t the only sci-if series to do it.
I have no idea what the reasoning is behind it, because in IRL militaries, at least the Canadian (Air Force) and American Navy you use ma’am.
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I google’d ‘Mister Saavik’ and the first result was a TrekBBS thread on the subject, apparently according to a user who used to be in the US navy, before 1992 they used Mister for women.
So that may be why. Doesn’t explain Voyager though.
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My favourite so far apart from not enough Stammets and the Doctor.
It's all groovy on the Disco.
I really liked how they tied Burnham into Sarek's dissapointment with Spock joining Star Fleet, Tilly is great, I really hope Ash is not Voq becasue that will be too obvious.
Lorca is seriously damaged, I hope the admiral survives so we get the repercussions of him getting her to go instead of Sarek.
I want that shirt, hurry up and take my money.
It's all groovy on the Disco.
I really liked how they tied Burnham into Sarek's dissapointment with Spock joining Star Fleet, Tilly is great, I really hope Ash is not Voq becasue that will be too obvious.
Lorca is seriously damaged, I hope the admiral survives so we get the repercussions of him getting her to go instead of Sarek.
IIRC that is basically what they said in one of the prior episodes.
I want that shirt, hurry up and take my money.
How so? Lorca was a targeted abduction. Voq could have been converted into Lorca months in advance - indeed, perhaps the intent was to replace Lorca with Voq fairly soon, but the opportunity to capture the real Lorca did not arise earlier.
He didn't. He said he didn't know how long he had been there. And then Lorca told him it had been seven months.
Tyler did say he was captured after the Battle of the Binaries. Funnily enough, the wording leaves open whether he was captured right after this battle where he lost his captain, or later on.
For this, you need to define "Klingon". Which is sort of the whole point. L'Rell's faction now has the S-drive (once "Lorca" finds an opportunity to deliver it to her). L'Rell's faction potentially also still has the cloaking device. But that just makes her the enemy of the other 23 Houses.
Timo Saloniemi
Declaration of Independence (just covered the two documents with my students). But the overall sentiment is broadly correct.
"Gambit, Parts I and II"? Yeah, I'll go along with that observation. The search for the Stone of Gol brought out the worst in at least one Vulcan.
She was part of a Vulcan isolationist movement
So in the Star Trek franchise only VOY and Star Trek II used mister for women? Before you edited your comment it sounded like all Star Trek series did it. I am still kind of glad they changed it in the dubbed versions I watched. It still sounds wrong to my ears regardless if they used it in real life in the military. And I guess I haven't seen those other sci-fi series or they changed the mister there, too.
I have no problem with sir though. I guess because I associate that word mainly with addressing a commanding officer, so as a honorific. Sounds kind of gender neutral to my ears. But mister just sounds wrong.
And willing to commit murder in order to acquire and use the weapon.
And so might the Vulcans in a fictional universe. If you don't like soapboxes, don't join a discussion group.
I seem to remember Janeway dressing someone down for calling her sir and demanded to be called ma'am. I thought it seemed kind of a backward sentiment but I guess they felt it would be less awkward for the series going forward.
Nor everyone that belongs to a race of people are bigots, and even bigots can join a multispecies organisation. As for the USS Intrepid perhaps it was the leverage Starfleet used to get Vulcan to join or it was the only way Vulcans would allow their people to join Starfleet. Who knows, the novels do not limit all Vulcans in Starfleet to Vulcan only ships. but they are not canon.
Talk about trek all you like, however there are dedicated areas for demonizing groups of folks you don't like. I suggest you take your hatred of Christians,Trump Supporters, or whoever else you'd like to demonize to TNZ.
Bigot is kind of a broad term anyway.
Having an intolerance of people who hold to white supremacy beliefs would make you a bigot.
I consider myself very bigoted against racial supremacists.
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