Lol.. You know Discovery is so ripping off (Australian speak for copying) Voyager and the Equinox/Ransom episode.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"
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Eh, not really impressed with this episode. Thought last weeks episode was better, even though it wasn’t amazing in any sense of the word.
I figured out the Tardigrade was the missing neural processor pretty quickly, so a good part of the episode was just filler until the crew of the Discovery figured it out.
Other thoughts:
Tilly’s weird hero worship of Burnham is getting weird and annoying. Especially since Burnham treats her like crap.
Tilley: “Oh hey, a package came for you. You were asleep in a really awesome way, so I thought I’d spend 20 minutes lugging it here. Aren’t I nice? Don’t you like me?”
Burnham: “STFU Tilly, you’re talking again”
Tilly: “Teehee! Silly me, running my big mouth again! Maybe later I can polish your boots? You know in return for a smile or a nod?”
Burnham: “Zip it Tilly, you’re still useless and dumb”
Tilly: “Sorry Michael. It’s just... You’re so awesome! And smart and brave! If you were a man, my fish flaps would be soaked right now! I’ll just... I’ll just leave now.”
I figured out the Tardigrade was the missing neural processor pretty quickly, so a good part of the episode was just filler until the crew of the Discovery figured it out.
Other thoughts:
Tilly’s weird hero worship of Burnham is getting weird and annoying. Especially since Burnham treats her like crap.
Tilley: “Oh hey, a package came for you. You were asleep in a really awesome way, so I thought I’d spend 20 minutes lugging it here. Aren’t I nice? Don’t you like me?”
Burnham: “STFU Tilly, you’re talking again”
Tilly: “Teehee! Silly me, running my big mouth again! Maybe later I can polish your boots? You know in return for a smile or a nod?”
Burnham: “Zip it Tilly, you’re still useless and dumb”
Tilly: “Sorry Michael. It’s just... You’re so awesome! And smart and brave! If you were a man, my fish flaps would be soaked right now! I’ll just... I’ll just leave now.”
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Could you not post derogatory names of female genitalia, please? It is disrespectful to women.
"Fish flaps"?
I'll never trust the Gorton's Fisherman from this day forward.
I'll never trust the Gorton's Fisherman from this day forward.
Now, now, IronMaiden ... deep breaths. Enterprise is more Trek than Discovery. See?
Voyager and Enterprise killed the franchise because they continued to recycle plots from TOS, TNG and DS9 and they did it badly. The franchise was tired, wasn't taking any risks and the fanbase were bored with it. The fanbase at the time hated Enterprise so much that people stopped watching, ratings plummeted and by the time the show started finding its feet it was too late. Then Battlestar Galactica came along and everyone was like 'This is what Voyager should have been'. As someone who joined the boards around that time, I remember those discussions very well.
The poster might BE a woman, i've heard many females use such colloquial terms, distasteful though they may be.
Anyway onto the episode, I give it a 7/10, enjoyable and well shot and we saw the beginnings of some character development. I still think Burnham is apoor choice of main character though, she is a little stiff and non-emotive.
Between the mood of the show, the unlikable characters and the un-trek like additions like cannibal-Klingons, I can certainly understand Trek fans bailing on the show.
The good: Special effects are good. Lorca is cool.
The bad: Plays fast and loose with science. (A plant eating Tardigrade... With sharp predator like teeth? Radiation is so high you’ll have to be back in ten minutes. Except, that’s not how radiation works. Partly the shroom drive.)
Useless additions that are only there as a gimmick: “Black alert” (When Red Alert isn’t dramatic enough!) Amazing breath-security. (But fingerprints are apparently good enough for Georgiu’s chest) Spinning ship-structure. (What was that for again?!)
Federation is apparently full of incompetent nitwits. (These strategic mines that deliver half of our fuel? Let’s leave them unprotected. Also, make sure that any Federation ships are at least a few days away!)
The good: Special effects are good. Lorca is cool.
The bad: Plays fast and loose with science. (A plant eating Tardigrade... With sharp predator like teeth? Radiation is so high you’ll have to be back in ten minutes. Except, that’s not how radiation works. Partly the shroom drive.)
Useless additions that are only there as a gimmick: “Black alert” (When Red Alert isn’t dramatic enough!) Amazing breath-security. (But fingerprints are apparently good enough for Georgiu’s chest) Spinning ship-structure. (What was that for again?!)
Federation is apparently full of incompetent nitwits. (These strategic mines that deliver half of our fuel? Let’s leave them unprotected. Also, make sure that any Federation ships are at least a few days away!)
A hundred bonus points for referencing "Attack of the THE EYE CREATURES." Unlike the director of that movie, you DID care.
Every dead crewman makes the mirror-universe/time-travel episodes easier.
Less blue screen.
Less blue screen.
I found Landry and Sharma's wooden performance highly irritating. She was a reckless fool, and she got precisely what she deserved. She came very close to ruining the previous episode for me. Her death saved this one.
Honestly, this episode felt like the modern interpretation of the classic Trekkian morality play, and I'm becoming more and more convinced by Burnham's character.
In fact, I find some fans' depiction of her as mentally unstable to be pretty difficult to swallow. As a kid her parents were killed by Klingons, prompting her to be raised by Vulcans into a Starfleet scientist who is assigned to Georgiou to connect her Vulcan upbringing and discipline with a human heritage and sensibility she was in clear danger of forgetting. The result is a constant battle between a strict application of logic and her more emotional human instincts, leading to her trying her own 'Vulcan Hello' out of absolute conviction that it would save lives because it did after H'atoria and because it was, Vulcans are almost certain to argue, the logical course of action. She reacted emotionally when T'Kuvma killed Georgiou, accepts the consequences of her actions. Now the writers are clearly moving her into a redemptive arc.
Look, I wandered off topic a bit there for a second but to summarise I think this episode convinced me that classic Trekkian sensibilities can work in the context of modern genre TV storytelling. I approve strongly, and am excited for next week. I wasn't excited for next week, last week.
I really could've done the Klingons though. Theory: all that rubbish is there just to placate Ron D Moore and prevent him from writing another angry screed the length of a Tom Clancy novel, as he did with Voyager.
But look, as the chappy above said - Voyager haters can go to buggery. And if you choose to not go to buggery, a critical vocabulary beyond 'it didn't take risks' is sorely needed. Nobody wants to potty train your critical thinking vocabulary 16 years after the show went off the air.
On a more positive note, so many people here have such great insight and interesting opinions. It's becoming a splendid ritual of mine to make a blackberry instant pudding, eat it whilst watching Discovery, then take my bloated self to the computer and prowl the TrekBBS whilst regretting my dietary choices.
Honestly, this episode felt like the modern interpretation of the classic Trekkian morality play, and I'm becoming more and more convinced by Burnham's character.
In fact, I find some fans' depiction of her as mentally unstable to be pretty difficult to swallow. As a kid her parents were killed by Klingons, prompting her to be raised by Vulcans into a Starfleet scientist who is assigned to Georgiou to connect her Vulcan upbringing and discipline with a human heritage and sensibility she was in clear danger of forgetting. The result is a constant battle between a strict application of logic and her more emotional human instincts, leading to her trying her own 'Vulcan Hello' out of absolute conviction that it would save lives because it did after H'atoria and because it was, Vulcans are almost certain to argue, the logical course of action. She reacted emotionally when T'Kuvma killed Georgiou, accepts the consequences of her actions. Now the writers are clearly moving her into a redemptive arc.
Look, I wandered off topic a bit there for a second but to summarise I think this episode convinced me that classic Trekkian sensibilities can work in the context of modern genre TV storytelling. I approve strongly, and am excited for next week. I wasn't excited for next week, last week.
I really could've done the Klingons though. Theory: all that rubbish is there just to placate Ron D Moore and prevent him from writing another angry screed the length of a Tom Clancy novel, as he did with Voyager.
But look, as the chappy above said - Voyager haters can go to buggery. And if you choose to not go to buggery, a critical vocabulary beyond 'it didn't take risks' is sorely needed. Nobody wants to potty train your critical thinking vocabulary 16 years after the show went off the air.
On a more positive note, so many people here have such great insight and interesting opinions. It's becoming a splendid ritual of mine to make a blackberry instant pudding, eat it whilst watching Discovery, then take my bloated self to the computer and prowl the TrekBBS whilst regretting my dietary choices.
Yeah, but it's probably why Voq's crew switched loyalty so fast as Chinese food always seems to leave one hungry again, soon. 
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Did you miss my post with the really big picture of Kor describing how he, Kang, and Koloth feasted on the heart of an enemy? Great googly-moogly, man ... if you don't know your Trek lore, don't make unfounded remarks about it!
And those strategic mines were defended. In the scene with the first report from Corvan 2, the miner there reports that "We're under Klingon attack. Patrol ships have been destroyed ..." So it *was* defended.
Klingons have spoken about eating their enemies, particularly their hearts before. Also it was stated pretty clearly that they had run out of food and had to resort to cannibalism, kinda like those survivors of the andean plane crash back in the 70's or 80's. They made a whole movie called Alive about it.
Star Trek has NEVER been good with science. The whole concept of how ships can break the light speed barrier doesn't gel with modern science. Also every species is a humanoid and there is a magic device that can translate every language in the galaxy. Suspension of disbelief is required with Star Trek.
When the Admiral contacted Lorca she said that the Klingons had taken out the ships defending the mine and everything else was too far away to get there in time.
My problem with that is if they ran out of food, they couldn't eat Georgiou because she would have rotted away unless they'd put her in a freezer somewhere.
Actually, Tilly's been just as much of a 'Dick' to Burnham as Burnham has been to her - it's very much a Spock/McCoy like dynamic.
I basically think of Ripper as a hippo that was misidentified as a xenomorph.
The irony being that hippos are probably the most dangerous territorial animals on Earth. In real life, big and indestructible animals tend to be herbavores rather than carnivores that tend to be fast but fragile killers. So it makes sense the phaser-immune super territorial thing is a plant eater or space truffle hunting pig.
That's pretty much the most clever idea of Discovery so far.
The irony being that hippos are probably the most dangerous territorial animals on Earth. In real life, big and indestructible animals tend to be herbavores rather than carnivores that tend to be fast but fragile killers. So it makes sense the phaser-immune super territorial thing is a plant eater or space truffle hunting pig.
That's pretty much the most clever idea of Discovery so far.
But is it a relative to 8472?
Maybe it's a fluidic hippo.
Klingon's don't have food synthesizer technology? Or is it possible that Klingons need live food, and synthetics won't do it for them? Unless their "farm" ship was hurt in the fight, there was no reason that they should go hungry unless the ship is not supposed to be away from "civilization" for so long, and hey were just idiots not to take a supply fun to a shop.
It could possibly a be a religious issue? Maybe they are only allowed to eat what they kill (in times of war)?
Maybe Voq took on survivors from the other ships that were blown up, and there were too many mouths to feed.
Maybe they're too awesome to use food synthesizers? It's a crutch used by weaklings.
It could possibly a be a religious issue? Maybe they are only allowed to eat what they kill (in times of war)?
Maybe Voq took on survivors from the other ships that were blown up, and there were too many mouths to feed.
Maybe they're too awesome to use food synthesizers? It's a crutch used by weaklings.
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