Then I leave you to your echo chamber. Labeling those that don't agree with you as a bigot and hysterical certainly underscores your argument - bravo.
Patrick Stewart Wants To Become A U.S. Citizen To Fight Trump
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I didn't call you either of those things, but I am sorry that people responding to your opinions has led you to feel victimized.
The hatred towards immigrants in America is out of control. This is just one of many horrific incidents that have occurred lately. Stewart is right that Trump needs to be fought because of issues like this and so many others.
ICE has basically become (and pretty much already was) a force that exists to terrorize poor minorities. Many members of ICE regularly harass and beat undocumented workers. Many Americans who support very strict immigration laws actually want this, of course. They want to see undocumented workers roughed up and kicked out of the country. Some of the more immigrant hardliners, I assume, are good people.
It's a sad situation.
ICE has basically become (and pretty much already was) a force that exists to terrorize poor minorities. Many members of ICE regularly harass and beat undocumented workers. Many Americans who support very strict immigration laws actually want this, of course. They want to see undocumented workers roughed up and kicked out of the country. Some of the more immigrant hardliners, I assume, are good people.
It's a sad situation.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...wart-thought-circumcised-doctors-gave-second/
I might want a separate thread for this topic but. I bet we can mix the threads? Idk. I had considered a different section for this news link too?
Peace out everyone,.
I might want a separate thread for this topic but. I bet we can mix the threads? Idk. I had considered a different section for this news link too?
Peace out everyone,.
Now that is a fascinating turn of events.
It's a good thing I said nothing about Trump's level of education then, isn't it? Here's 9gs' original quote:
"So tired of "Actors" most of whom barely finished High School telling us what to do with our lives."
His objection was first and foremost to the idea of actors expressing political opinions at all, and the "most of whom barely finished high school" remark was tacked on to further discredit their involvement in politics.
I found his objection to celebrities expressing political opinions ironic and pointed out the hypocrisy, since in his arguably primary career (prior to becoming POTUS) of promoting himself and his brand, Donald Trump has made cameo appearances on numerous fictional TV show and in movies (playing himself), constantly appeared on radio and TV talk shows, podcasts, and news programs making comments that would later come back to bite him in the ass (or would have, if his followers had any integrity or convictions beyond wanting to win the election), produced and starred in a reality TV show, and frequently involved himself in political affairs as a civilian, including baseless racist attacks about President Obama's birthplace and education, racist attacks on the DNA-exonerated Central Park Five long after they were cleared, and numerous other racist and sexist attacks in the political sphere.
I continued to make the point in a second post showing the conservatives have no problem with celebrities getting involved in politics as long as they are conservative celebrities. No mention of Trump's education level there either.
So, is your argument (and 9gs') that celebrity opinions are acceptable only as long as they are well-educated? Because that rule didn't seem to apply to Vassar and Yale graduate (with honors) Meryl Streep's comments at the SAG Awards or the numerous other celebrities with university degrees who have criticized Trump.
It's also strange that the same party and Trump political movement that criticizes elitism (while conversely rallying behind the very avatar of elitism in Trump), intellectuals, science, and "snowflake"-filled left-wing universities would suddenly insist that those with a higher education have opinions that outweigh the common working person.
Speaking of which, university degree or not, I'd put Patrick Stewart's level of worldliness, intellectual curiosity, general knowledge, and rational thought up against the barely literate, willfully ignorant, unread, mushnouthed President who signs executive orders giving broadsweeping powers and positions to his minions that he either doesn't read or doesn't understand, both of which are terrifying.
Stewart has lived and worked in the US off and on for thirty years. His wife is American. He owns a home in Brooklyn. His best friend (Ian McKellan) is a prominent LGBTQ and civil rights activist and Stewart himself is involved in numerous activist and charitable causes of relevance. The idea that he's only becoming an American citizen because he hates Trump is ridiculous. That was just the subject of the interview question, it doesn't mean it's his only motivating factor, even if it might have hastened his decision.
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Speak for yourself, not for the "existing population".
Every generation seems to think that the latest group of immigrants and refugees is the most dangerous. Just one example: in the 1930s/40s, a vocal group of Americans were afraid that Jewish refugees from Germany and the occupied countries were, in reality, Nazi spies. Seriously?!
Most members of the "existing population" whom I know are appalled by that kind of paranoia and very willing to accept more immigrants and, especially, refugees.
Trump has hardly let us down, fact is the opposite, as I pointed out, Democrats have been the ones killing us. I don't use that term lightly, might as well been creeping around our communities at night, slitting our throats these last two decades. Same results.
100% it was Bill Clinton. We had tariff laws preventing massive international steel imports. My first protests was in DC protesting it as a teenager.
With Trump, we suddenly have tanginable actions on moving long dead businesses that Bill Clinton murdered. Not saying at all its the old businesses resurrecting, but we do have companies finally coming around and not merely talking, but acting. I walk along my towns old mill every day, watching them tear it down. One of Trump's cabinet picks briefly owned the mill in they rust years (he didn't close it down, had long been dead, couldn't resurrect it then given the regressive economic ideology of that era) and tried to reorganize it, nothing has happened since then than people coming and saying its impossible.
Trump gets in, boom.... progress.
Who am I to believe, ideological rhetoric, or actual observable facts?
Let's see..... Lifetime full of lies, scaremongering, watching my community destroyed, and passing through the wastelands of countless others equally crushed, or seeing tangible, real, factual results, not based on liberal fearmongering, but truth?
I'm no longer playing along. No Fynn, I'll sooner give up on you than my people.... Your worth nothing, they are worth everything. Bigger monster than the boogeyman of coal is getting those crazy, crazy, crazy insane British maniacs like Patrick Stewart to stop chopping down forests around the world to use in their renewable, green energy powerplants. Its far, far, far worst.
I've studied how people debate, joined as many philosophy groups as I could, went to several cities over the years. I've found most rhetoric is based of unconscious emotional fears, when pressed, people can't rationally eludicate what they are so stubborn holding out on. Comes from early youth. I used to be like many a suicide leftist, buying into the fear of global warming. I had to think back to the origins of where this thinking came from. Was the elementry school "Weekly Readers" we used to get in school, covering topics and making absurd syllogisms, impressioning fear. Global warming duscussions usually was accompanied by dinosaur extinctions, tied into green house gases, and warnings from All Gore how only our generation could fix things. I was like, first and second grade then.... looking out the window thinking somehow magically a little smoke was going to kill off the human race.
Early impressions like that stay with us, it is a catalyst for future reasoning. Its not the Noble Lie https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie because the noble lie was a myth presented to preserve a society from forces that pushed it towards destruction, by replacing it with lies that encourage harmony and cooperation. Examples in this thread would be the obviously false belief some insist upon, illegal immigrants commit less crimes. By default, a illegal immigrant has committed at the very least one crime, hence why they are illegal- but it is understood why the lie is stated, those individuals have positive emotive group feeling attachments to illegals (ergo, absolutely none to those dying as a result of encouraging the crime open border areas bring in drugs and gangs, drug deaths, economic losses due to lowered naturally floating wages and increased competition for locals in securing work at livable rates). We get it, you love drug cartels, gang violence, mass unemployment and homelessness more than most of your own countrymen. That's your worldview, nobody has a universally humane worldview, everyone picks some losers and winners, just so happens my people are the ones who get to suffer and die in your utopian worldview. Fantastic, beautiful, whatever.
Fear of industry or industrializatoon isn't a noble lie however. I can at least look at the suicidal left (as well as Austrian School of Economics conservatives) and say at least they are terribly misguided for not inherently evil reasons- they think without much understanding that they are somehow helping others, being more inclusive and open.
In the case of economic terrorism however, only thing that I can observe resulting is a slow switch from the Christian concept of the Apocalypse due to our sins, to a Neo-Stoic fear that the angry sun god will punish us for not recycling by melting the world. Stoics didn't believe in recycling (nor waste for that matter), but other than that, the resurrection of that old apocalyptic religion has come around remarkably well. Yes, religion. 100% cultic. No different from Amazonians wearing cockcones, or people dancing in a temple to a idol. Very big chunck of our population that thinks it is highly rational and sensible and atheistic is everybit as irrational and insane as the worst we can find out there. Challenge me on this, I will show you, one of my favorite past times.
I gain absolutely no guilt over my carbon footprint. Carbon is natural, we are well below norms for our last interglacial warming period, we have far more green biomass today than in the past. I'm more worried about real pollution, like crewy air at ground level, or strange water with three eyed fish. Only think carbon fears do is drive people like scared cattle into Democratic party pins for the slaughter. Its very true, its what happened to us. I don't blame China and India for scoffing at the bullshit and lies. Many mills nearly went bancrupt putting air scrubbers on their mills, then Clinton pulled his stunt. Environmentalism backfired. Had he not done that, had more efforts been made to not screw with the laws we had on the books protecting key industries, fucusing on real pollution instead if liberal fantasy pollution, good chance the air in New Delhi and Beijing would be cleaner. They saw what falling for this liberal cult does, it kills jobs. My preference is more carbon in the athmospher, but less chewy air on the ground. Clear skies are good, can be economic with good tariffs and right incentives backed by laws in place. Suicide left didn't want that, so now we are forced to completely obliterate the entire cult. And yes, that cult will die. I'm completely confident we won't die.
Simple logic. If somehow humans accelerated the environment to a dangerous level (by no means is that the case) through carbon, and reversing our carbon use stops this, then what started it? Was it the use of Flint or Bronze Age smelters that caused the ice shelves to melt? Did we knick up a atmospheric storm with that much glinting, really? Couple roman legions marching around Germany caused a mini iceage? Fishing villages caused global sea levels to rise last few thousand years, ice to receed to the present stage? I'm gonna have to side with George Carlin and say the Earth doesn't give a damn about our beliefs or outlooks, that were at worst a nuisance, can't really change anything, it kills us, not vice versa. We happened to reach a awareness beyond Theophastus' Clouds in a era when the icecaps are coincidetly receding, and I am quite honestly okay with that. It's happened in the last interglacial period too, when northern Canada was warm. I am not scared.
What I am scared of, however, is just how deeply stupid we've become as far as explaining the social epidemiology of crime waves and actual social strife in a republican system of government. No subject is taboo for us to talk, but we've gotten prior to Trump to a point where we can't even talk about the obvious elephant in the room, damn near slave labor priced illegal labor flooding the market, coupled with drug cartels flooding through the exact sane route, destabilizing not just our country, but the source countries too. Its a act of absolute insanity not to face up to the truth.
It won't be solved from fearful retreats into childhood fears or kneejerk ideological programming either. Know that precious starfleet academy in San Francisco right now has several dozen homeless people huddled in the rain as mounted horse patrols search for them. All they want is work, and the main thing keeping them from it is your belief system, one you inherited from someone without much question. You accepted the fears, the excuses. You failed however to love those closest to you in the now of your community. You instead favor abstract ideas like the legitimacy of distant populations moving here because your unwilling to challenge your own understandings of how the world works. Mexico will soon have more engineers than the US, but can't manage a stable banking system that invests in small businesses and mortage on a western scale of penetration cause the economy, government services, and land is tied up by competition from cartels. They wouldn't be fleeing here on a illegal basis if they didn't have to. Only obvious way to stop it is to slap up a big wall, and guard it, to severely diminish their ability to fund that sort of crime. It will wither, the government in both states north and south can assert themselves.
You can't have a economy improve without a focus on jobs, Trump heavily focuses on Jobs. He constantly meets with business leaders. He has tangible results seen already, Obama had only hypothetical statistical ones liberals would gleefully chant to the homeless, saying how the depression ended, how everything is better- fucking dirty lies. Can't believe that level of arrogance, like trying to sell a house that is on fire.
Lastly, global warming has been rapidly advancing over the last 10,000 years. Go visit the lake of Minnesota, the expanding Sahara, or the dried up Saraswati river if you don't believe me. Nothing we can do, absolutely nothing, even had we never existed, could stop the ice from melting, no the effort isn't worthwhile, it is infact misguided as fuck, makes us stupid and irrational, as it becomes less rational and emperical and more faithbased, lead by priests in white lab coats. You want to become a real environmentalists, stop polluting the water or dumping low level unscrubbed pollution people breathe in, stop worrying about carbon. Only reason a scientific concensus exists that global warming is happening is the same reason there was a mideval concensus by priests that paying indulgences resolved sins- because fools were dumb enough to pay a institution in mass for what I'm sure was originally a honest attempt to resolve a spiritual crisis of greed, resulting in priests discovering it was a fantastic source of income, becoming dependent upon it in time. Our governments subsudise those scientists heavily. It is highly profitable, makes them feel important, they get to pronounce on our salvation (how to save the enviroment and live a good life!) and get to wear ceremonial white robed while doing so. I'm not putting up with it. More carbon = more biomass = more life = we're not going extinct, earth lives. Less carbon = all the ice still goes away, earth still warms, we don't turn back anything, cause it was warming before we ever figured out how to make metal tools.
I am no longer afraid. Trump is the way forward. I won't stand for invading Russia, bad enough we invaded Libya. I'm not turning my back on Americans, as a American. A lot of illegals will get deported, but we will have far more than ever before entering legally, getting paid reasonable wages. When I lived in San Fransisco, I saw a lot of people extort Mexicans and Guatemalans .... break every damn labor law, no more of that. Our migrant labor will be legally approved, $9+ a hour (they legally must be paid well above minimum wage). Many organic food stores will dramatically have to raise costs, but many farmers will likewise have a chance to invest in new machinery. Its going to be good seeing over the next few years liberals losing their self actualization priorities as the rest of the country, and eventually mexico, moving out of fearful security issues as far as the needs pyramid goes. They've caused a lot of sick pain to this country, I can't wait till the 2018 election to see them loose more seats. I hope a more responsible counter party arises in their place, they've been nothing but problems since the civil war. If you have political parties, you need a good counter, but the Nixonian strategies of the Democrats isn't healthy at all. I hope it dies off, the lies and cultic beliefs die without the need for a myth crushing Leto Atreidies II to do it for us. We live in a incredibly stupid era, but Trump through his election does show us Democracy can still work, that we aren't completely lost and damned as a country, that we can still make a positive future. Too many gave up hope under Obama.... too many are now dead. I can't ever begin to figure out how much we list from his reign of terror. It just kept getting worst and worst. Worst years of my life. Too much duffering, too many bullshit lies. Through Trump, we all busted out of Shawshank.
100% it was Bill Clinton. We had tariff laws preventing massive international steel imports. My first protests was in DC protesting it as a teenager.
With Trump, we suddenly have tanginable actions on moving long dead businesses that Bill Clinton murdered. Not saying at all its the old businesses resurrecting, but we do have companies finally coming around and not merely talking, but acting. I walk along my towns old mill every day, watching them tear it down. One of Trump's cabinet picks briefly owned the mill in they rust years (he didn't close it down, had long been dead, couldn't resurrect it then given the regressive economic ideology of that era) and tried to reorganize it, nothing has happened since then than people coming and saying its impossible.
Trump gets in, boom.... progress.
Who am I to believe, ideological rhetoric, or actual observable facts?
Let's see..... Lifetime full of lies, scaremongering, watching my community destroyed, and passing through the wastelands of countless others equally crushed, or seeing tangible, real, factual results, not based on liberal fearmongering, but truth?
I'm no longer playing along. No Fynn, I'll sooner give up on you than my people.... Your worth nothing, they are worth everything. Bigger monster than the boogeyman of coal is getting those crazy, crazy, crazy insane British maniacs like Patrick Stewart to stop chopping down forests around the world to use in their renewable, green energy powerplants. Its far, far, far worst.
I've studied how people debate, joined as many philosophy groups as I could, went to several cities over the years. I've found most rhetoric is based of unconscious emotional fears, when pressed, people can't rationally eludicate what they are so stubborn holding out on. Comes from early youth. I used to be like many a suicide leftist, buying into the fear of global warming. I had to think back to the origins of where this thinking came from. Was the elementry school "Weekly Readers" we used to get in school, covering topics and making absurd syllogisms, impressioning fear. Global warming duscussions usually was accompanied by dinosaur extinctions, tied into green house gases, and warnings from All Gore how only our generation could fix things. I was like, first and second grade then.... looking out the window thinking somehow magically a little smoke was going to kill off the human race.
Early impressions like that stay with us, it is a catalyst for future reasoning. Its not the Noble Lie https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie because the noble lie was a myth presented to preserve a society from forces that pushed it towards destruction, by replacing it with lies that encourage harmony and cooperation. Examples in this thread would be the obviously false belief some insist upon, illegal immigrants commit less crimes. By default, a illegal immigrant has committed at the very least one crime, hence why they are illegal- but it is understood why the lie is stated, those individuals have positive emotive group feeling attachments to illegals (ergo, absolutely none to those dying as a result of encouraging the crime open border areas bring in drugs and gangs, drug deaths, economic losses due to lowered naturally floating wages and increased competition for locals in securing work at livable rates). We get it, you love drug cartels, gang violence, mass unemployment and homelessness more than most of your own countrymen. That's your worldview, nobody has a universally humane worldview, everyone picks some losers and winners, just so happens my people are the ones who get to suffer and die in your utopian worldview. Fantastic, beautiful, whatever.
Fear of industry or industrializatoon isn't a noble lie however. I can at least look at the suicidal left (as well as Austrian School of Economics conservatives) and say at least they are terribly misguided for not inherently evil reasons- they think without much understanding that they are somehow helping others, being more inclusive and open.
In the case of economic terrorism however, only thing that I can observe resulting is a slow switch from the Christian concept of the Apocalypse due to our sins, to a Neo-Stoic fear that the angry sun god will punish us for not recycling by melting the world. Stoics didn't believe in recycling (nor waste for that matter), but other than that, the resurrection of that old apocalyptic religion has come around remarkably well. Yes, religion. 100% cultic. No different from Amazonians wearing cockcones, or people dancing in a temple to a idol. Very big chunck of our population that thinks it is highly rational and sensible and atheistic is everybit as irrational and insane as the worst we can find out there. Challenge me on this, I will show you, one of my favorite past times.
I gain absolutely no guilt over my carbon footprint. Carbon is natural, we are well below norms for our last interglacial warming period, we have far more green biomass today than in the past. I'm more worried about real pollution, like crewy air at ground level, or strange water with three eyed fish. Only think carbon fears do is drive people like scared cattle into Democratic party pins for the slaughter. Its very true, its what happened to us. I don't blame China and India for scoffing at the bullshit and lies. Many mills nearly went bancrupt putting air scrubbers on their mills, then Clinton pulled his stunt. Environmentalism backfired. Had he not done that, had more efforts been made to not screw with the laws we had on the books protecting key industries, fucusing on real pollution instead if liberal fantasy pollution, good chance the air in New Delhi and Beijing would be cleaner. They saw what falling for this liberal cult does, it kills jobs. My preference is more carbon in the athmospher, but less chewy air on the ground. Clear skies are good, can be economic with good tariffs and right incentives backed by laws in place. Suicide left didn't want that, so now we are forced to completely obliterate the entire cult. And yes, that cult will die. I'm completely confident we won't die.
Simple logic. If somehow humans accelerated the environment to a dangerous level (by no means is that the case) through carbon, and reversing our carbon use stops this, then what started it? Was it the use of Flint or Bronze Age smelters that caused the ice shelves to melt? Did we knick up a atmospheric storm with that much glinting, really? Couple roman legions marching around Germany caused a mini iceage? Fishing villages caused global sea levels to rise last few thousand years, ice to receed to the present stage? I'm gonna have to side with George Carlin and say the Earth doesn't give a damn about our beliefs or outlooks, that were at worst a nuisance, can't really change anything, it kills us, not vice versa. We happened to reach a awareness beyond Theophastus' Clouds in a era when the icecaps are coincidetly receding, and I am quite honestly okay with that. It's happened in the last interglacial period too, when northern Canada was warm. I am not scared.
What I am scared of, however, is just how deeply stupid we've become as far as explaining the social epidemiology of crime waves and actual social strife in a republican system of government. No subject is taboo for us to talk, but we've gotten prior to Trump to a point where we can't even talk about the obvious elephant in the room, damn near slave labor priced illegal labor flooding the market, coupled with drug cartels flooding through the exact sane route, destabilizing not just our country, but the source countries too. Its a act of absolute insanity not to face up to the truth.
It won't be solved from fearful retreats into childhood fears or kneejerk ideological programming either. Know that precious starfleet academy in San Francisco right now has several dozen homeless people huddled in the rain as mounted horse patrols search for them. All they want is work, and the main thing keeping them from it is your belief system, one you inherited from someone without much question. You accepted the fears, the excuses. You failed however to love those closest to you in the now of your community. You instead favor abstract ideas like the legitimacy of distant populations moving here because your unwilling to challenge your own understandings of how the world works. Mexico will soon have more engineers than the US, but can't manage a stable banking system that invests in small businesses and mortage on a western scale of penetration cause the economy, government services, and land is tied up by competition from cartels. They wouldn't be fleeing here on a illegal basis if they didn't have to. Only obvious way to stop it is to slap up a big wall, and guard it, to severely diminish their ability to fund that sort of crime. It will wither, the government in both states north and south can assert themselves.
You can't have a economy improve without a focus on jobs, Trump heavily focuses on Jobs. He constantly meets with business leaders. He has tangible results seen already, Obama had only hypothetical statistical ones liberals would gleefully chant to the homeless, saying how the depression ended, how everything is better- fucking dirty lies. Can't believe that level of arrogance, like trying to sell a house that is on fire.
Lastly, global warming has been rapidly advancing over the last 10,000 years. Go visit the lake of Minnesota, the expanding Sahara, or the dried up Saraswati river if you don't believe me. Nothing we can do, absolutely nothing, even had we never existed, could stop the ice from melting, no the effort isn't worthwhile, it is infact misguided as fuck, makes us stupid and irrational, as it becomes less rational and emperical and more faithbased, lead by priests in white lab coats. You want to become a real environmentalists, stop polluting the water or dumping low level unscrubbed pollution people breathe in, stop worrying about carbon. Only reason a scientific concensus exists that global warming is happening is the same reason there was a mideval concensus by priests that paying indulgences resolved sins- because fools were dumb enough to pay a institution in mass for what I'm sure was originally a honest attempt to resolve a spiritual crisis of greed, resulting in priests discovering it was a fantastic source of income, becoming dependent upon it in time. Our governments subsudise those scientists heavily. It is highly profitable, makes them feel important, they get to pronounce on our salvation (how to save the enviroment and live a good life!) and get to wear ceremonial white robed while doing so. I'm not putting up with it. More carbon = more biomass = more life = we're not going extinct, earth lives. Less carbon = all the ice still goes away, earth still warms, we don't turn back anything, cause it was warming before we ever figured out how to make metal tools.
I am no longer afraid. Trump is the way forward. I won't stand for invading Russia, bad enough we invaded Libya. I'm not turning my back on Americans, as a American. A lot of illegals will get deported, but we will have far more than ever before entering legally, getting paid reasonable wages. When I lived in San Fransisco, I saw a lot of people extort Mexicans and Guatemalans .... break every damn labor law, no more of that. Our migrant labor will be legally approved, $9+ a hour (they legally must be paid well above minimum wage). Many organic food stores will dramatically have to raise costs, but many farmers will likewise have a chance to invest in new machinery. Its going to be good seeing over the next few years liberals losing their self actualization priorities as the rest of the country, and eventually mexico, moving out of fearful security issues as far as the needs pyramid goes. They've caused a lot of sick pain to this country, I can't wait till the 2018 election to see them loose more seats. I hope a more responsible counter party arises in their place, they've been nothing but problems since the civil war. If you have political parties, you need a good counter, but the Nixonian strategies of the Democrats isn't healthy at all. I hope it dies off, the lies and cultic beliefs die without the need for a myth crushing Leto Atreidies II to do it for us. We live in a incredibly stupid era, but Trump through his election does show us Democracy can still work, that we aren't completely lost and damned as a country, that we can still make a positive future. Too many gave up hope under Obama.... too many are now dead. I can't ever begin to figure out how much we list from his reign of terror. It just kept getting worst and worst. Worst years of my life. Too much duffering, too many bullshit lies. Through Trump, we all busted out of Shawshank.
Nothing in it was xenophobic or racist. There are a few ignorants here who love to play the race card. They are best left ignored.
On topic, I welcome anyone who comes to this country legally and respects it by obeying our laws.
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Trump has hardly let us down, fact is the opposite, as I pointed out, Democrats have been the ones killing us. I don't use that term lightly, might as well been creeping around our communities at night, slitting our throats these last two decades. Same results.
100% it was Bill Clinton. We had tariff laws preventing massive international steel imports. My first protests was in DC protesting it as a teenager.
With Trump, we suddenly have tanginable actions on moving long dead businesses that Bill Clinton murdered. Not saying at all its the old businesses resurrecting, but we do have companies finally coming around and not merely talking, but acting. I walk along my towns old mill every day, watching them tear it down. One of Trump's cabinet picks briefly owned the mill in they rust years (he didn't close it down, had long been dead, couldn't resurrect it then given the regressive economic ideology of that era) and tried to reorganize it, nothing has happened since then than people coming and saying its impossible.
Trump gets in, boom.... progress.
Who am I to believe, ideological rhetoric, or actual observable facts?
Let's see..... Lifetime full of lies, scaremongering, watching my community destroyed, and passing through the wastelands of countless others equally crushed, or seeing tangible, real, factual results, not based on liberal fearmongering, but truth?
I'm no longer playing along. No Fynn, I'll sooner give up on you than my people.... Your worth nothing, they are worth everything. Bigger monster than the boogeyman of coal is getting those crazy, crazy, crazy insane British maniacs like Patrick Stewart to stop chopping down forests around the world to use in their renewable, green energy powerplants. Its far, far, far worst.
I've studied how people debate, joined as many philosophy groups as I could, went to several cities over the years. I've found most rhetoric is based of unconscious emotional fears, when pressed, people can't rationally eludicate what they are so stubborn holding out on. Comes from early youth. I used to be like many a suicide leftist, buying into the fear of global warming. I had to think back to the origins of where this thinking came from. Was the elementry school "Weekly Readers" we used to get in school, covering topics and making absurd syllogisms, impressioning fear. Global warming duscussions usually was accompanied by dinosaur extinctions, tied into green house gases, and warnings from All Gore how only our generation could fix things. I was like, first and second grade then.... looking out the window thinking somehow magically a little smoke was going to kill off the human race.
Early impressions like that stay with us, it is a catalyst for future reasoning. Its not the Noble Lie https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie because the noble lie was a myth presented to preserve a society from forces that pushed it towards destruction, by replacing it with lies that encourage harmony and cooperation. Examples in this thread would be the obviously false belief some insist upon, illegal immigrants commit less crimes. By default, a illegal immigrant has committed at the very least one crime, hence why they are illegal- but it is understood why the lie is stated, those individuals have positive emotive group feeling attachments to illegals (ergo, absolutely none to those dying as a result of encouraging the crime open border areas bring in drugs and gangs, drug deaths, economic losses due to lowered naturally floating wages and increased competition for locals in securing work at livable rates). We get it, you love drug cartels, gang violence, mass unemployment and homelessness more than most of your own countrymen. That's your worldview, nobody has a universally humane worldview, everyone picks some losers and winners, just so happens my people are the ones who get to suffer and die in your utopian worldview. Fantastic, beautiful, whatever.
Fear of industry or industrializatoon isn't a noble lie however. I can at least look at the suicidal left (as well as Austrian School of Economics conservatives) and say at least they are terribly misguided for not inherently evil reasons- they think without much understanding that they are somehow helping others, being more inclusive and open.
In the case of economic terrorism however, only thing that I can observe resulting is a slow switch from the Christian concept of the Apocalypse due to our sins, to a Neo-Stoic fear that the angry sun god will punish us for not recycling by melting the world. Stoics didn't believe in recycling (nor waste for that matter), but other than that, the resurrection of that old apocalyptic religion has come around remarkably well. Yes, religion. 100% cultic. No different from Amazonians wearing cockcones, or people dancing in a temple to a idol. Very big chunck of our population that thinks it is highly rational and sensible and atheistic is everybit as irrational and insane as the worst we can find out there. Challenge me on this, I will show you, one of my favorite past times.
I gain absolutely no guilt over my carbon footprint. Carbon is natural, we are well below norms for our last interglacial warming period, we have far more green biomass today than in the past. I'm more worried about real pollution, like crewy air at ground level, or strange water with three eyed fish. Only think carbon fears do is drive people like scared cattle into Democratic party pins for the slaughter. Its very true, its what happened to us. I don't blame China and India for scoffing at the bullshit and lies. Many mills nearly went bancrupt putting air scrubbers on their mills, then Clinton pulled his stunt. Environmentalism backfired. Had he not done that, had more efforts been made to not screw with the laws we had on the books protecting key industries, fucusing on real pollution instead if liberal fantasy pollution, good chance the air in New Delhi and Beijing would be cleaner. They saw what falling for this liberal cult does, it kills jobs. My preference is more carbon in the athmospher, but less chewy air on the ground. Clear skies are good, can be economic with good tariffs and right incentives backed by laws in place. Suicide left didn't want that, so now we are forced to completely obliterate the entire cult. And yes, that cult will die. I'm completely confident we won't die.
Simple logic. If somehow humans accelerated the environment to a dangerous level (by no means is that the case) through carbon, and reversing our carbon use stops this, then what started it? Was it the use of Flint or Bronze Age smelters that caused the ice shelves to melt? Did we knick up a atmospheric storm with that much glinting, really? Couple roman legions marching around Germany caused a mini iceage? Fishing villages caused global sea levels to rise last few thousand years, ice to receed to the present stage? I'm gonna have to side with George Carlin and say the Earth doesn't give a damn about our beliefs or outlooks, that were at worst a nuisance, can't really change anything, it kills us, not vice versa. We happened to reach a awareness beyond Theophastus' Clouds in a era when the icecaps are coincidetly receding, and I am quite honestly okay with that. It's happened in the last interglacial period too, when northern Canada was warm. I am not scared.
What I am scared of, however, is just how deeply stupid we've become as far as explaining the social epidemiology of crime waves and actual social strife in a republican system of government. No subject is taboo for us to talk, but we've gotten prior to Trump to a point where we can't even talk about the obvious elephant in the room, damn near slave labor priced illegal labor flooding the market, coupled with drug cartels flooding through the exact sane route, destabilizing not just our country, but the source countries too. Its a act of absolute insanity not to face up to the truth.
It won't be solved from fearful retreats into childhood fears or kneejerk ideological programming either. Know that precious starfleet academy in San Francisco right now has several dozen homeless people huddled in the rain as mounted horse patrols search for them. All they want is work, and the main thing keeping them from it is your belief system, one you inherited from someone without much question. You accepted the fears, the excuses. You failed however to love those closest to you in the now of your community. You instead favor abstract ideas like the legitimacy of distant populations moving here because your unwilling to challenge your own understandings of how the world works. Mexico will soon have more engineers than the US, but can't manage a stable banking system that invests in small businesses and mortage on a western scale of penetration cause the economy, government services, and land is tied up by competition from cartels. They wouldn't be fleeing here on a illegal basis if they didn't have to. Only obvious way to stop it is to slap up a big wall, and guard it, to severely diminish their ability to fund that sort of crime. It will wither, the government in both states north and south can assert themselves.
You can't have a economy improve without a focus on jobs, Trump heavily focuses on Jobs. He constantly meets with business leaders. He has tangible results seen already, Obama had only hypothetical statistical ones liberals would gleefully chant to the homeless, saying how the depression ended, how everything is better- fucking dirty lies. Can't believe that level of arrogance, like trying to sell a house that is on fire.
Lastly, global warming has been rapidly advancing over the last 10,000 years. Go visit the lake of Minnesota, the expanding Sahara, or the dried up Saraswati river if you don't believe me. Nothing we can do, absolutely nothing, even had we never existed, could stop the ice from melting, no the effort isn't worthwhile, it is infact misguided as fuck, makes us stupid and irrational, as it becomes less rational and emperical and more faithbased, lead by priests in white lab coats. You want to become a real environmentalists, stop polluting the water or dumping low level unscrubbed pollution people breathe in, stop worrying about carbon. Only reason a scientific concensus exists that global warming is happening is the same reason there was a mideval concensus by priests that paying indulgences resolved sins- because fools were dumb enough to pay a institution in mass for what I'm sure was originally a honest attempt to resolve a spiritual crisis of greed, resulting in priests discovering it was a fantastic source of income, becoming dependent upon it in time. Our governments subsudise those scientists heavily. It is highly profitable, makes them feel important, they get to pronounce on our salvation (how to save the enviroment and live a good life!) and get to wear ceremonial white robed while doing so. I'm not putting up with it. More carbon = more biomass = more life = we're not going extinct, earth lives. Less carbon = all the ice still goes away, earth still warms, we don't turn back anything, cause it was warming before we ever figured out how to make metal tools.
I am no longer afraid. Trump is the way forward. I won't stand for invading Russia, bad enough we invaded Libya. I'm not turning my back on Americans, as a American. A lot of illegals will get deported, but we will have far more than ever before entering legally, getting paid reasonable wages. When I lived in San Fransisco, I saw a lot of people extort Mexicans and Guatemalans .... break every damn labor law, no more of that. Our migrant labor will be legally approved, $9+ a hour (they legally must be paid well above minimum wage). Many organic food stores will dramatically have to raise costs, but many farmers will likewise have a chance to invest in new machinery. Its going to be good seeing over the next few years liberals losing their self actualization priorities as the rest of the country, and eventually mexico, moving out of fearful security issues as far as the needs pyramid goes. They've caused a lot of sick pain to this country, I can't wait till the 2018 election to see them loose more seats. I hope a more responsible counter party arises in their place, they've been nothing but problems since the civil war. If you have political parties, you need a good counter, but the Nixonian strategies of the Democrats isn't healthy at all. I hope it dies off, the lies and cultic beliefs die without the need for a myth crushing Leto Atreidies II to do it for us. We live in a incredibly stupid era, but Trump through his election does show us Democracy can still work, that we aren't completely lost and damned as a country, that we can still make a positive future. Too many gave up hope under Obama.... too many are now dead. I can't ever begin to figure out how much we list from his reign of terror. It just kept getting worst and worst. Worst years of my life. Too much duffering, too many bullshit lies. Through Trump, we all busted out of Shawshank.
Congrats, that's one of the longest Gish Gallops I've ever seen around here.
I wish you luck with all that. You're gonna need it.
By giving millions of people health insurance that they didn't have before?
Anecdotal evidence or actual evidence?
I'm not even sure what you're talking about here but I guess it's out of question that coal isn't exactly clean so I'm not sure why people would antagonize renewable energy.
Yeah, you just described many conservative attitudes.
And the kid figured his own anecdotal evidence clearly trumps scientific evidence?
That's amazing.
I said refugees from Syria commit fewer crimes than the general population does on average (here in Germany). Refugees are not illegal immigrants. From what I remember of police statistics immigrants in general aren't an above-average problem when it comes to crime. We have some problems with specific groups, though.
That's some rather pathetic rhetoric right there.
How do you explain that one of the most progressive and environmental-friendly countries in the world (that's phased out nuclear energy and is in the process of switching to renewable energy) is also one of the most important industrial powerhouses and most globalized economies of the world? I'm talking about Germany in case that wasn't clear.
America's deindustrialization had nothing to do with left-wing fantasies. America's industry disappeared because financial market capitalism put shareholder value above everything else. Shareholders don't care about the long-term future of the company, they want next quarter's results to be amazing and that can be achieved by laying off people. Whenever there's a crisis, American companies started laying off people because they don't value labour enough.
Whereas German companies invested in the training and qualification of their workers and thus during the crisis were much less likely to just fire them, and you know what? That makes it much easier to ramp up production again when the economy recovers. And in the meantime the government assists companies in keeping people employed during the recession while company management and works council work on saving costs and improving production processes. Insanity, huh? Worker representation with co-management duties.
At the same time production capabilities of American companies have disappeared by the time the recession is over.
American industry disappeared because of neoliberal (read: right wing, and that includes Democrats) paradigms ruling everything.
America's deindustrialization happened because many companies figured reducing costs (=wages) is the only thing that can keep a company competitive. The thing is: You can't compete with low wage countries when it comes to mass producing simple products with low-skilled low-income workers.
German industry on the other hand focused on a mix of quality mass production (like cars) and flexible specialization (machine tools for example, some call it diversified quality production) which means producing complex products with highly skilled high-income workers. And wow, wages are negotiated in collective bargaining with influential unions.
America's industry didn't die because left-wing politics had too much influence. It died because there is no left-wing politics in the US.
That's the dumbest shit I've read in a while.
Which is funny because China actually realizes the threat of global warming and climate change and has been changing its course in recent years. When it comes to climate change China is a more reliable ally to European nations than the US is.
I'm not going to discuss global warming here. It's proven beyond doubt that a big part of it is man-made and is going to create huge problems.
Personally I like my politicians to be competent.
I'm not going to argue that the unquestioned victory of neoliberal paradigms has caused a lot of problems since the end of the Cold War. But if you think Trump's protectionism is going to solve those problems... I'm really sorry.
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INDEED. I came in here expecting details of a "2 men enter one man leaves" chainsaw-wielding Cage-Match between Trump and Stewart and all I find is humans arguing WITHOUT chainsaws. <sigh>.
Trump has hardly let us down, fact is the opposite, as I pointed out, Democrats have been the ones killing us. I don't use that term lightly, might as well been creeping around our communities at night, slitting our throats these last two decades. Same results.
100% it was Bill Clinton. We had tariff laws preventing massive international steel imports. My first protests was in DC protesting it as a teenager.
With Trump, we suddenly have tanginable actions on moving long dead businesses that Bill Clinton murdered. Not saying at all its the old businesses resurrecting, but we do have companies finally coming around and not merely talking, but acting. I walk along my towns old mill every day, watching them tear it down. One of Trump's cabinet picks briefly owned the mill in they rust years (he didn't close it down, had long been dead, couldn't resurrect it then given the regressive economic ideology of that era) and tried to reorganize it, nothing has happened since then than people coming and saying its impossible.
Trump gets in, boom.... progress.
Who am I to believe, ideological rhetoric, or actual observable facts?
Let's see..... Lifetime full of lies, scaremongering, watching my community destroyed, and passing through the wastelands of countless others equally crushed, or seeing tangible, real, factual results, not based on liberal fearmongering, but truth?
I'm no longer playing along. No Fynn, I'll sooner give up on you than my people.... Your worth nothing, they are worth everything. Bigger monster than the boogeyman of coal is getting those crazy, crazy, crazy insane British maniacs like Patrick Stewart to stop chopping down forests around the world to use in their renewable, green energy powerplants. Its far, far, far worst.
I've studied how people debate, joined as many philosophy groups as I could, went to several cities over the years. I've found most rhetoric is based of unconscious emotional fears, when pressed, people can't rationally eludicate what they are so stubborn holding out on. Comes from early youth. I used to be like many a suicide leftist, buying into the fear of global warming. I had to think back to the origins of where this thinking came from. Was the elementry school "Weekly Readers" we used to get in school, covering topics and making absurd syllogisms, impressioning fear. Global warming duscussions usually was accompanied by dinosaur extinctions, tied into green house gases, and warnings from All Gore how only our generation could fix things. I was like, first and second grade then.... looking out the window thinking somehow magically a little smoke was going to kill off the human race.
Early impressions like that stay with us, it is a catalyst for future reasoning. Its not the Noble Lie https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie because the noble lie was a myth presented to preserve a society from forces that pushed it towards destruction, by replacing it with lies that encourage harmony and cooperation. Examples in this thread would be the obviously false belief some insist upon, illegal immigrants commit less crimes. By default, a illegal immigrant has committed at the very least one crime, hence why they are illegal- but it is understood why the lie is stated, those individuals have positive emotive group feeling attachments to illegals (ergo, absolutely none to those dying as a result of encouraging the crime open border areas bring in drugs and gangs, drug deaths, economic losses due to lowered naturally floating wages and increased competition for locals in securing work at livable rates). We get it, you love drug cartels, gang violence, mass unemployment and homelessness more than most of your own countrymen. That's your worldview, nobody has a universally humane worldview, everyone picks some losers and winners, just so happens my people are the ones who get to suffer and die in your utopian worldview. Fantastic, beautiful, whatever.
Fear of industry or industrializatoon isn't a noble lie however. I can at least look at the suicidal left (as well as Austrian School of Economics conservatives) and say at least they are terribly misguided for not inherently evil reasons- they think without much understanding that they are somehow helping others, being more inclusive and open.
In the case of economic terrorism however, only thing that I can observe resulting is a slow switch from the Christian concept of the Apocalypse due to our sins, to a Neo-Stoic fear that the angry sun god will punish us for not recycling by melting the world. Stoics didn't believe in recycling (nor waste for that matter), but other than that, the resurrection of that old apocalyptic religion has come around remarkably well. Yes, religion. 100% cultic. No different from Amazonians wearing cockcones, or people dancing in a temple to a idol. Very big chunck of our population that thinks it is highly rational and sensible and atheistic is everybit as irrational and insane as the worst we can find out there. Challenge me on this, I will show you, one of my favorite past times.
I gain absolutely no guilt over my carbon footprint. Carbon is natural, we are well below norms for our last interglacial warming period, we have far more green biomass today than in the past. I'm more worried about real pollution, like crewy air at ground level, or strange water with three eyed fish. Only think carbon fears do is drive people like scared cattle into Democratic party pins for the slaughter. Its very true, its what happened to us. I don't blame China and India for scoffing at the bullshit and lies. Many mills nearly went bancrupt putting air scrubbers on their mills, then Clinton pulled his stunt. Environmentalism backfired. Had he not done that, had more efforts been made to not screw with the laws we had on the books protecting key industries, fucusing on real pollution instead if liberal fantasy pollution, good chance the air in New Delhi and Beijing would be cleaner. They saw what falling for this liberal cult does, it kills jobs. My preference is more carbon in the athmospher, but less chewy air on the ground. Clear skies are good, can be economic with good tariffs and right incentives backed by laws in place. Suicide left didn't want that, so now we are forced to completely obliterate the entire cult. And yes, that cult will die. I'm completely confident we won't die.
Simple logic. If somehow humans accelerated the environment to a dangerous level (by no means is that the case) through carbon, and reversing our carbon use stops this, then what started it? Was it the use of Flint or Bronze Age smelters that caused the ice shelves to melt? Did we knick up a atmospheric storm with that much glinting, really? Couple roman legions marching around Germany caused a mini iceage? Fishing villages caused global sea levels to rise last few thousand years, ice to receed to the present stage? I'm gonna have to side with George Carlin and say the Earth doesn't give a damn about our beliefs or outlooks, that were at worst a nuisance, can't really change anything, it kills us, not vice versa. We happened to reach a awareness beyond Theophastus' Clouds in a era when the icecaps are coincidetly receding, and I am quite honestly okay with that. It's happened in the last interglacial period too, when northern Canada was warm. I am not scared.
What I am scared of, however, is just how deeply stupid we've become as far as explaining the social epidemiology of crime waves and actual social strife in a republican system of government. No subject is taboo for us to talk, but we've gotten prior to Trump to a point where we can't even talk about the obvious elephant in the room, damn near slave labor priced illegal labor flooding the market, coupled with drug cartels flooding through the exact sane route, destabilizing not just our country, but the source countries too. Its a act of absolute insanity not to face up to the truth.
It won't be solved from fearful retreats into childhood fears or kneejerk ideological programming either. Know that precious starfleet academy in San Francisco right now
Trump has hardly let us down, fact is the opposite, as I pointed out, Democrats have been the ones killing us. I don't use that term lightly, might as well been creeping around our communities at night, slitting our throats these last two decades. Same results.
100% it was Bill Clinton. We had tariff laws preventing massive international steel imports. My first protests was in DC protesting it as a teenager.
With Trump, we suddenly have tanginable actions on moving long dead businesses that Bill Clinton murdered. Not saying at all its the old businesses resurrecting, but we do have companies finally coming around and not merely talking, but acting. I walk along my towns old mill every day, watching them tear it down. One of Trump's cabinet picks briefly owned the mill in they rust years (he didn't close it down, had long been dead, couldn't resurrect it then given the regressive economic ideology of that era) and tried to reorganize it, nothing has happened since then than people coming and saying its impossible.
Trump gets in, boom.... progress.
Who am I to believe, ideological rhetoric, or actual observable facts?
Let's see..... Lifetime full of lies, scaremongering, watching my community destroyed, and passing through the wastelands of countless others equally crushed, or seeing tangible, real, factual results, not based on liberal fearmongering, but truth?
I'm no longer playing along. No Fynn, I'll sooner give up on you than my people.... Your worth nothing, they are worth everything. Bigger monster than the boogeyman of coal is getting those crazy, crazy, crazy insane British maniacs like Patrick Stewart to stop chopping down forests around the world to use in their renewable, green energy powerplants. Its far, far, far worst.
I've studied how people debate, joined as many philosophy groups as I could, went to several cities over the years. I've found most rhetoric is based of unconscious emotional fears, when pressed, people can't rationally eludicate what they are so stubborn holding out on. Comes from early youth. I used to be like many a suicide leftist, buying into the fear of global warming. I had to think back to the origins of where this thinking came from. Was the elementry school "Weekly Readers" we used to get in school, covering topics and making absurd syllogisms, impressioning fear. Global warming duscussions usually was accompanied by dinosaur extinctions, tied into green house gases, and warnings from All Gore how only our generation could fix things. I was like, first and second grade then.... looking out the window thinking somehow magically a little smoke was going to kill off the human race.
Early impressions like that stay with us, it is a catalyst for future reasoning. Its not the Noble Lie https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie because the noble lie was a myth presented to preserve a society from forces that pushed it towards destruction, by replacing it with lies that encourage harmony and cooperation. Examples in this thread would be the obviously false belief some insist upon, illegal immigrants commit less crimes. By default, a illegal immigrant has committed at the very least one crime, hence why they are illegal- but it is understood why the lie is stated, those individuals have positive emotive group feeling attachments to illegals (ergo, absolutely none to those dying as a result of encouraging the crime open border areas bring in drugs and gangs, drug deaths, economic losses due to lowered naturally floating wages and increased competition for locals in securing work at livable rates). We get it, you love drug cartels, gang violence, mass unemployment and homelessness more than most of your own countrymen. That's your worldview, nobody has a universally humane worldview, everyone picks some losers and winners, just so happens my people are the ones who get to suffer and die in your utopian worldview. Fantastic, beautiful, whatever.
Fear of industry or industrializatoon isn't a noble lie however. I can at least look at the suicidal left (as well as Austrian School of Economics conservatives) and say at least they are terribly misguided for not inherently evil reasons- they think without much understanding that they are somehow helping others, being more inclusive and open.
In the case of economic terrorism however, only thing that I can observe resulting is a slow switch from the Christian concept of the Apocalypse due to our sins, to a Neo-Stoic fear that the angry sun god will punish us for not recycling by melting the world. Stoics didn't believe in recycling (nor waste for that matter), but other than that, the resurrection of that old apocalyptic religion has come around remarkably well. Yes, religion. 100% cultic. No different from Amazonians wearing cockcones, or people dancing in a temple to a idol. Very big chunck of our population that thinks it is highly rational and sensible and atheistic is everybit as irrational and insane as the worst we can find out there. Challenge me on this, I will show you, one of my favorite past times.
I gain absolutely no guilt over my carbon footprint. Carbon is natural, we are well below norms for our last interglacial warming period, we have far more green biomass today than in the past. I'm more worried about real pollution, like crewy air at ground level, or strange water with three eyed fish. Only think carbon fears do is drive people like scared cattle into Democratic party pins for the slaughter. Its very true, its what happened to us. I don't blame China and India for scoffing at the bullshit and lies. Many mills nearly went bancrupt putting air scrubbers on their mills, then Clinton pulled his stunt. Environmentalism backfired. Had he not done that, had more efforts been made to not screw with the laws we had on the books protecting key industries, fucusing on real pollution instead if liberal fantasy pollution, good chance the air in New Delhi and Beijing would be cleaner. They saw what falling for this liberal cult does, it kills jobs. My preference is more carbon in the athmospher, but less chewy air on the ground. Clear skies are good, can be economic with good tariffs and right incentives backed by laws in place. Suicide left didn't want that, so now we are forced to completely obliterate the entire cult. And yes, that cult will die. I'm completely confident we won't die.
Simple logic. If somehow humans accelerated the environment to a dangerous level (by no means is that the case) through carbon, and reversing our carbon use stops this, then what started it? Was it the use of Flint or Bronze Age smelters that caused the ice shelves to melt? Did we knick up a atmospheric storm with that much glinting, really? Couple roman legions marching around Germany caused a mini iceage? Fishing villages caused global sea levels to rise last few thousand years, ice to receed to the present stage? I'm gonna have to side with George Carlin and say the Earth doesn't give a damn about our beliefs or outlooks, that were at worst a nuisance, can't really change anything, it kills us, not vice versa. We happened to reach a awareness beyond Theophastus' Clouds in a era when the icecaps are coincidetly receding, and I am quite honestly okay with that. It's happened in the last interglacial period too, when northern Canada was warm. I am not scared.
What I am scared of, however, is just how deeply stupid we've become as far as explaining the social epidemiology of crime waves and actual social strife in a republican system of government. No subject is taboo for us to talk, but we've gotten prior to Trump to a point where we can't even talk about the obvious elephant in the room, damn near slave labor priced illegal labor flooding the market, coupled with drug cartels flooding through the exact sane route, destabilizing not just our country, but the source countries too. Its a act of absolute insanity not to face up to the truth.
It won't be solved from fearful retreats into childhood fears or kneejerk ideological programming either. Know that precious starfleet academy in San Francisco right now has several dozen homeless people huddled in the rain as mounted horse patrols search for them. All they want is work, and the main thing keeping them from it is your belief system, one you inherited from someone without much question. You accepted the fears, the excuses. You failed however to love those closest to you in the now of your community. You instead favor abstract ideas like the legitimacy of distant populations moving here because your unwilling to challenge your own understandings of how the world works. Mexico will soon have more engineers than the US, but can't manage a stable banking system that invests in small businesses and mortage on a western scale of penetration cause the economy, government services, and land is tied up by competition from cartels. They wouldn't be fleeing here on a illegal basis if they didn't have to. Only obvious way to stop it is to slap up a big wall, and guard it, to severely diminish their ability to fund that sort of crime. It will wither, the government in both states north and south can assert themselves.
You can't have a economy improve without a focus on jobs, Trump heavily focuses on Jobs. He constantly meets with business leaders. He has tangible results seen already, Obama had only hypothetical statistical ones liberals would gleefully chant to the homeless, saying how the depression ended, how everything is better- fucking dirty lies. Can't believe that level of arrogance, like trying to sell a house that is on fire.
Lastly, global warming has been rapidly advancing over the last 10,000 years. Go visit the lake of Minnesota, the expanding Sahara, or the dried up Saraswati river if you don't believe me. Nothing we can do, absolutely nothing, even had we never existed, could stop the ice from melting, no the effort isn't worthwhile, it is infact misguided as fuck, makes us stupid and irrational, as it becomes less rational and emperical and more faithbased, lead by priests in white lab coats. You want to become a real environmentalists, stop polluting the water or dumping low level unscrubbed pollution people breathe in, stop worrying about carbon. Only reason a scientific concensus exists that global warming is happening is the same reason there was a mideval concensus by priests that paying indulgences resolved sins- because fools were dumb enough to pay a institution in mass for what I'm sure was originally a honest attempt to resolve a spiritual crisis of greed, resulting in priests discovering it was a fantastic source of income, becoming dependent upon it in time. Our governments subsudise those scientists heavily. It is highly profitable, makes them feel important, they get to pronounce on our salvation (how to save the enviroment and live a good life!) and get to wear ceremonial white robed while doing so. I'm not putting up with it. More carbon = more biomass = more life = we're not going extinct, earth lives. Less carbon = all the ice still goes away, earth still warms, we don't turn back anything, cause it was warming before we ever figured out how to make metal tools.
I am no longer afraid. Trump is the way forward. I won't stand for invading Russia, bad enough we invaded Libya. I'm not turning my back on Americans, as a American. A lot of illegals will get deported, but we will have far more than ever before entering legally, getting paid reasonable wages. When I lived in San Fransisco, I saw a lot of people extort Mexicans and Guatemalans .... break every damn labor law, no more of that. Our migrant labor will be legally approved, $9+ a hour (they legally must be paid well above minimum wage). Many organic food stores will dramatically have to raise costs, but many farmers will likewise have a chance to invest in new machinery. Its going to be good seeing over the next few years liberals losing their self actualization priorities as the rest of the country, and eventually mexico, moving out of fearful security issues as far as the needs pyramid goes. They've caused a lot of sick pain to this country, I can't wait till the 2018 election to see them loose more seats. I hope a more responsible counter party arises in their place, they've been nothing but problems since the civil war. If you have political parties, you need a good counter, but the Nixonian strategies of the Democrats isn't healthy at all. I hope it dies off, the lies and cultic beliefs die without the need for a myth crushing Leto Atreidies II to do it for us. We live in a incredibly stupid era, but Trump through his election does show us Democracy can still work, that we aren't completely lost and damned as a country, that we can still make a positive future. Too many gave up hope under Obama.... too many are now dead. I can't ever begin to figure out how much we list from his reign of terror. It just kept getting worst and worst. Worst years of my life. Too much duffering, too many bullshit lies. Through Trump, we all busted out of Shawshank.
Wouldn't import tariffs on steel be good for US Steel manufacturers? Isn't the whole point of an import tariff to make the item more expensive to import so as to promote use of domestically made products.
Of course the opposite is also true if a country impose an import tariff on something expect other countries to reciprocate by imposing import tariffs of their own making products which are made domestically more expenisve to export, which can hurt business as it can mean fewer customers. .
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